$10 NLHE 6-max: Did I make the right play with my AK

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Hi Guys,

Could I have played this better? should I have folded after he raised?
Vilain is VPiP 17 with a PFR 15 Agg 60.

thanks!


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BB: $10.14
UTG: $2.91
MP: $12.11
CO: $4.15
BTN: $14.39
Hero (SB): $11.06

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Kh Ad
2 folds, CO raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $0.70, 1 fold, CO raises to $2.20, Hero calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.50) Jh 6c 7s (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $1.95 all in, Hero calls $1.95

Turn: ($8.40) 2d (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($8.40) Js (2 players - 1 is all in)
 
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well.....
 
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3bet more preflop like $1.10-$1.30. I would fold to a 4bet...
 
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This stats define his 4bet range to JJ+,AK which means that you are hoping to split or play a flip.

Fold preflop ;)
How did you assume his 4bet range from his vpip/pfr? And I don't think a usual 4betting range includes JJ and AK. Although players at the micros do all kind of funny things.
 
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omg. Some of the responses are almost as bad as the hand itself.

You're 3bet sizing is shit. Raise to about 1.20-1.60. If he shoves you call obviously. If he raises to a smaller amount, you shove. The guy only has 4 bucks left and tbh i'm having a pretty hard time believing he's a 17/15 because of that since there are rarely any good short stackers at 10nl.
 
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How did you assume his 4bet range from his vpip/pfr? And I don't think a usual 4betting range includes JJ and AK. Although players at the micros do all kind of funny things.

He's tight, he's raising when playing a pot. High aggression. Small stack ~40bb.

His 4bet screams that he wants action.He would shove with 77-TT or AQ/AJ

What do you think a tight aggressive 40bb stack will have when he 4bets ?
Big pair or AK.

If he 4bet shove all-in, I'd call with AQ or 99, but his 4bet is so strong. He can't have anything less than JJ+,AK

@ OP - what did he show ?
 
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omg. Some of the responses are almost as bad as the hand itself.

You're 3bet sizing is shit. Raise to about 1.20-1.60. If he shoves you call obviously. If he raises to a smaller amount, you shove. The guy only has 4 bucks left and tbh i'm having a pretty hard time believing he's a 17/15 because of that since there are rarely any good short stackers at 10nl.

I don't know about good short-stackers at 10nl but I have seen plenty of tight short-stackers with those kind of stats. Is it only because he is a short stack you are willing to get it in? What would your' play be if he had a full stack?
 
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It was cause he was a short stack thats why I called. But i placed him on an AK or top pair but i think i might have called if he had a larger stack.

I know i played this hand shit starting with my lame ass raise... I'm trying to figure out how I might avoided this. If I had raised $1.2 instead and he went all in should I call?



FYI he had QQ
 
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I don't know about good short-stackers at 10nl but I have seen plenty of tight short-stackers with those kind of stats. Is it only because he is a short stack you are willing to get it in? What would your' play be if he had a full stack?

If he was full stacked, I'd probably 5bet shove because regs know that people love to 3bet wide out of the blinds especially to a late position raises so he can be 4betting lighter than normal. When we 5bet shove, depending on our image, he'd probably be like "aw shit im done" and i wouldn't be surprised if he could lay down QQ. Plus we have blockers so he's less likely to have AA/KK

at to the OP as i mentioned earlier:

You're 3bet sizing is shit. Raise to about 1.20-1.60. If he shoves you call obviously.
 
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He's tight, he's raising when playing a pot. High aggression. Small stack ~40bb.

His 4bet screams that he wants action.He would shove with 77-TT or AQ/AJ

What do you think a tight aggressive 40bb stack will have when he 4bets ?
Big pair or AK.

If he 4bet shove all-in, I'd call with AQ or 99, but his 4bet is so strong. He can't have anything less than JJ+,AK

@ OP - what did he show ?
Sorry, I didn't notice he was a SS. I shove over his 4bet all day long with AK and never even think about it twice.
 
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I'm going to be completely honest and suggest that you should currently not be playing NLHE. Every action by you in this hand was a large mistake. I don't mean to scold you, but it seems to me that you are missing a lot of elementary knowledge about the game.
Now I am probably one of the weaker, less experienced players that visit this forum. I remember well the times, because they are not in a distant past, that I was playing like you are in this hand. Scared to raise, unable to fold hands that look great preflop, unaware of pot odds and stack sizes, not planning ahead.
I'm really glad I took a step back, stopped playing, and started studying until I realized the most glaring errors in the way I was thinking about the game. Now that I'm back to playing I still make mistakes all the time, but I'm able to quickly learn from them. And I still get into crappy situations, but a) far less often than before; b) I can analyze the situation much quicker, leaving more time to think about the action to take.

Some options for you I can think of:
- Ignore this post, keep having fun and remain largely dependant on luck. There is nothing really wrong with this, but the fact that you are posting on this forum suggests that you'd like to improve above most of the players you find at these limits.
- Spend some time reading up on the game basics. I'm not suggesting a secluded scholarship until you are a pro, obviously you have to learn by doing, and watching other people play. But the learning process is going to be really costly if you're just going by trial and error.
Lots of literature is available, in books but also thousands of online articles. A fine place to start imo is www.thepokerbank.com/strategy
Newbie-friendly, not too in-depth.
Also check out the Golden Archives on this site.
- If, when inevitably you will have to deal with the mathematics of bet sizing and pot odds and whatnot, you find yourself losing interest, but you still like the mechanics of calling, betting and raising, switch to Fixed Limit.

Best of luck at any rate.
 
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I agree with the above that you seem to have a lot of gaps in your game. Have you worked your' way up from the lower stakes or straight in to 10nl?

And to the other posts, am I the only one that thinks 40bb is still a lot to put in if a short stack had a narrow 4bet range? If someone is 17 / 15 I can't imagine I am anything better than flipping with 4bets...
 
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it's a shortie. stop saying he is only doing this QQ+ AK
 
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I agree with the above that you seem to have a lot of gaps in your game. Have you worked your' way up from the lower stakes or straight in to 10nl?

And to the other posts, am I the only one that thinks 40bb is still a lot to put in if a short stack had a narrow 4bet range? If someone is 17 / 15 I can't imagine I am anything better than flipping with 4bets...

Even if you are right that we are flipping vs the 4bet (which I think is wrong), we have pot odds of greater than 1:1, so we should still get it in.
 
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It was cause he was a short stack thats why I called. But i placed him on an AK or top pair but i think i might have called if he had a larger stack.

That makes even less sense.

If you put him on AA KK QQ or AK then you should have folded. Not that you could possibly put him on such a narrow range, but if you did, calling was wrong.
 
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