$10 NLHE 6-max: How to deal with 3-bets pre flop

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/20/2

pokerstars Zoom Hand #nnn: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10)
Table 'Klinkenberg' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: villain1 ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 2: villain2 ($11.59 in chips)
Seat 3: villain3 ($17.38 in chips)
Seat 4: villain4 ($8.81 in chips)
Seat 5: villain5 ($10.20 in chips)
Seat 6: sunirico ($7.39 in chips)
villain2: posts small blind $0.05
villain3: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to sunirico [Td Jd]
villain4: folds
villain5: folds
sunirico: raises $0.15 to $0.25
villain1: raises $0.55 to $0.80
villain2: folds
villain3: folds
sunirico: calls $0.55
*** FLOP *** [As Ah Kh]
sunirico: checks
villain1: bets $0.90
sunirico: calls $0.90
*** TURN *** [As Ah Kh] [Qs]
sunirico: checks
villain1: bets $2.10
sunirico: raises $3.59 to $5.69 and is all-in
villain1: calls $3.59
*** RIVER *** [As Ah Kh Qs] [3h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
sunirico: shows [Td Jd] (a straight, Ten to Ace)
villain1: shows [Kd Ks] (a full house, Kings full of Aces)
villain1 collected $14.26 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $14.93 | Rake $0.67
Board [As Ah Kh Qs 3h]
Seat 1: villain1 (button) showed [Kd Ks] and won ($14.26) with a full house, Kings full of Aces
Seat 2: villain2 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: villain3 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: villain4 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: villain5 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: sunirico showed [Td Jd] and lost with a straight, Ten to Ace

I obviously played this poorly but he could've made the boat on the river and I would have played the hand the same way.

I'm not sure how to deal with 3-bet pre-flop, sometimes they have a monster but I've also seen them 3-bet KTo. I've tried simply folding to all 3-bets, reasoning that it's not worth the effort/risk but then it seems the frequency increases making me think I'm being exploited. Is my opening range too weak? Should I be able to get away from these?
 
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It is a good hand pre flop to call a 3bet out of position but you should be folding on the flop. It would have been a nice disciplined laydown.

After calling the flop many players find it hard to get away but i have still seen people making a disciplined laydown on the turn. One needs some read on the villain and a lot of discipline which is easier said than done. :cool:
 
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Villain's stats are scary. Tight-ish, raises a lot pre flop, and doesn't continue with his aggression post flop - likely he is nut chaser at zoom.

You were probably beat pre flop, but you could win this hand in position, since he isn't an aggressor post flop, good call pre flop. Then the overbet on the flop (90 into a 80 pot), this should make all kinds of alarm bells ring at this point. A player as straight forward as he is, with a paired board, I don't think your gutshot straight draw is EVER good. This is a place where you fold.

Q was a bad card for you, because, even if you hit the straight, AQ is now a full house. QQ is a full house. KK is a full house. AK is a full house. VERY unlikely he plays JJ or TT as aggressive as he did in this board given his aggression frequency. Maybe some medium strenght aces (A9-AJ), but I DOUBT he would make back to back overbets with it with a flush draw out there. He bets the turn for the pot. Another overbet. At this point trips is the rock bottom of his range. Even if you can't fold your improved hand, this shove is not a good play, your straight only beats a bluff at this point.

His range is quite premium and the board is very good for premium hands.
 
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*** FLOP *** [As Ah Kh]
sunirico: checks
villain1: bets $0.90
sunirico: calls $0.90

Like everyone has suggested, it was a clear fold. I'm not messing with a 20/20 stat villain, that too OOP. To be honest, when he re-raised me pre-flop, I would have just folded.
 
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Fold after the 3bet. Fold on the flop.
 
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Fold after the 3bet. Fold on the flop.

So simply fold all 3-bets is that what you're saying? I really don't know how I should deal with 3-bets. Sometimes it's strong but frequently I notice it's only a steal, so do you simply fold and move on? Is this not exploitable then?
 
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VEven if you can't fold your improved hand, this shove is not a good play, your straight only beats a bluff at this point.

Yes agreed, not a good play. My reasoning was, since I'm not getting away from this hand, which I wasn't stubborn/no discipline/etc, I couldn't simply call and face another bet on the river and I'll be committed anyway so I just shoved.

The paired board should have been a sign on he flop I agree but it could've easily paired on the river too. Calling pre-flop sealed my fate...
 
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I don't see why calling preflop sealed your fate. If you had Jh10h, I'd see why you'd continue, but with only 3 outs (clean ones), huge reverse implied odds, AND incredibly bad odds, the flop call is horrible. The only hand that your draw is alive against is AJ and JJ, as a player with those stats is not reraising you with A10. Probably not even AJ.

So in summary:
1. Huge reverse implied odds AND no odds (you're just gonna cold call a >potsized bet on a AAK board OOP on a gutshot?)
2. Since you have a jack, you block the one hand he COULD have that you'd give action with when you improve (AJ).
 
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