$10 NLHE 6-max: HERO takes weird line V Reg

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I thought that taking a very weird line would be best to get his whole stack as what can he put me on? 88 or 77 are really the only hands if he has the Queen.

Hand sample: 370 15/10/2.4


Shove river and represent busted flush? or bet $4~.
I have done other weird lines before as bluffs and had to fold when re-raised recently, don't know if villain knows though.

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BTN: $24.39
SB: $10.09
BB: $15.43
Hero (UTG): $12.47
MP: $13.65
CO: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is UTG with 7 :heart: 7 :spade:
Hero raises to $0.35, MP calls $0.35, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 3 :spade: 8 :club: Q :spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $0.55, MP calls $0.55

Turn: ($1.95) 7 :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $0.90, Hero raises to $2.45, MP calls $1.55

River: ($6.85) 3 :club: (2 players)
Hero bets $9.12 all in
 
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I probs just bet half pot otr instead, I think that has more chance of being called here as it looks like a 1 pair hand, like KQ/AQ and then we're relying on a nit making a pretty daft hero call.

I think most of his range is 1 pair hands and this makes his river decision very easy, we bet half pot and get calls off of those hands, and may even induce a shove/raise of some sort from AQ.

I'm not too sure about the turn c/r either tbh, we give any flush draw a free card and I think his range is mostly AQ's right? I think someone that nitty knows that 1 pair isnt great here when x/r'd.
 
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I probs just bet half pot otr instead, I think that has more chance of being called here as it looks like a 1 pair hand, like KQ/AQ and then we're relying on a nit making a pretty daft hero call.

I think most of his range is 1 pair hands and this makes his river decision very easy, we bet half pot and get calls off of those hands, and may even induce a shove/raise of some sort from AQ.

I'm not too sure about the turn c/r either tbh, we give any flush draw a free card and I think his range is mostly AQ's right? I think someone that nitty knows that 1 pair isnt great here when x/r'd.

i agree.
 
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I probs just bet half pot otr instead, I think that has more chance of being called here as it looks like a 1 pair hand, like KQ/AQ and then we're relying on a nit making a pretty daft hero call.

I think most of his range is 1 pair hands and this makes his river decision very easy, we bet half pot and get calls off of those hands, and may even induce a shove/raise of some sort from AQ.

I'm not too sure about the turn c/r either tbh, we give any flush draw a free card and I think his range is mostly AQ's right? I think someone that nitty knows that 1 pair isnt great here when x/r'd.

So the counter-argument to this then, is that I can bluff this river the majority of the time and get folds vs Regs one pair hands.

If I did take this line however and posted it here I am pretty sure someone would say it would be a bad bluff as I represent hardly anything...

Also why isn't the check-raise on the turn good? Good luck trying to fold KQ or AQ if your the villain here on this board. Also I stop his flush draws from drawing out on me as he could easily be betting them. Most reg villains are betting their flush draws when they see weakness with flush draws.
 
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If you want to go x/r'ing air on turns a lot and then shoving rivers you probs can get folds from regs with 1 pair, but first rule of micro club is value bet, second rule.... etc lol

I just don't know exactly what your trying to do in this hand, ott are you x/r'ing for value or as a bluff, it looks like your turning your hand into a bluff as your going to get more folds than calls imo, and on the river are you over shoving for value or as a bluff? Nobody over shoves rivers as bluffs at the micros, so if I had AQ here, like I think villain does, i'd be folding it with no doubts, and I'd be 100% right, with you making my decision the easiest in the world

If I was the villain, and you wanna bet a FD otf, x/r it on the turn and over shove bluff when it misses on the river then hats off to you lol but it doesn't happen very often at 10nl, and a missed FD played like an aggro tard, which your going to have to show traits of at some point prev if i'm to believe, and I'm guessing this isnt how you play AKss? or the abso nuts, is all your repping.

I'm not sure what your asking, if it is can we run bluffs like this a lot and expect folds at 10nl, then probs no, specially not against reggy/tight types, if your asking whether you missed value, then yes imo, as if he folds here he has Qx, if he calls he has 88/QQ.

I kinda agree with your thoughts on x/r'ing the turn but just go for fat value and you can't go far wrong, this all looks a bit fancy and unnessecary :)
 
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If you want to go x/r'ing air on turns a lot and then shoving rivers you probs can get folds from regs with 1 pair, but first rule of micro club is value bet, second rule.... etc lol

I just don't know exactly what your trying to do in this hand, ott are you x/r'ing for value or as a bluff, it looks like your turning your hand into a bluff as your going to get more folds than calls imo, and on the river are you over shoving for value or as a bluff? Nobody over shoves rivers as bluffs at the micros, so if I had AQ here, like I think villain does, i'd be folding it with no doubts, and I'd be 100% right, with you making my decision the easiest in the world

If I was the villain, and you wanna bet a FD otf, x/r it on the turn and over shove bluff when it misses on the river then hats off to you lol but it doesn't happen very often at 10nl, and a missed FD played like an aggro tard, which your going to have to show traits of at some point prev if i'm to believe, and I'm guessing this isnt how you play AKss? or the abso nuts, is all your repping.

I'm not sure what your asking, if it is can we run bluffs like this a lot and expect folds at 10nl, then probs no, specially not against reggy/tight types, if your asking whether you missed value, then yes imo, as if he folds here he has Qx, if he calls he has 88/QQ.

I kinda agree with your thoughts on x/r'ing the turn but just go for fat value and you can't go far wrong, this all looks a bit fancy and unnessecary :)

Ugh ye, I think I have developed a bad case of fancy play syndrome. Time to make myself play ABC poker I guess until I move up again. Sucks playing ABC poker though, so boring :).
 
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First off, against very competent opponents it will very rarely get paid off unless you balance your check-raises with some bluffs. Most players realize that raising UTG then check-raising and shipping the river makes your range ridiculously polarized but given the UTG open it is weighted heavily towards the nuts. However, given that this is small stakes, most players will call when they are unsure or confused about something so taking this line actually might work because it is slightly confusing to an unobservant opponent.
 
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I probs just bet half pot otr instead, I think that has more chance of being called here as it looks like a 1 pair hand, like KQ/AQ and then we're relying on a nit making a pretty daft hero call.
That call wouldn't be daft, it would be a cooler. Think about it, do we NOT bet half pot with AQ here? I know I would, unless villain is really incapable of having worse.
 
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