$10 NLHE 6-max: $ : Hand that confused me

$10 NL HE 6-max: $ : Hand that confused me

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 10/10/10

So I have position on the villain and the hand played out like this

5c10c Ring game. Villain is a bit of a calling station but not awful.


Ignore the VP PFR and AF. I dont have the data. it is not 10-10-10

Villain lips
Hero raises to 90c
Villain calls

flop


villain checks
hero continuation bets 90c
villain calls

turn


Villain checks
hero bets $1.20
villain calls

river


Villain checks
Hero thinks villain has a little bit of it so bets $1.50
Villain calls and shows




Villain takes pot


I have no problem losing to a better hand. But why did he play it like this?

Surely he would check the flop to raise if I bet

Or at least raise me on the river

I am totally confused by this play.

Anybody got any reasons why he would play this way?

stuventus said:

Anybody got any reasons why he would play this way?

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Because your opponents are idiots. They slow play to get value, and then a card rolls off on the river that scares them away from getting the value they originally planned to get. Idiotic.

Assume your opponents are idiots until they prove otherwise, especially at these stakes.

Your hand converter sucks.

Regardless bet more on the turn and river.
A pair of aces with a good kicker should be played like the nuts against most 10NL opponents.

pot the turn, half pot the river if checked to.

You raise to 9bb preflop? why?

As of villain, either he's a standard calling station fish or he's a decent player who puts you on a polarized range of nuts and air after your strange preflop bet, so he plays the hand perfectly by calling down.

Given it's 10nl, he's probably a fish, of course. But I could play the hand the same way.

Villian has an AF of 10 and is calling station? That doesn't make sense or am I missing something, since he would be 10x more likely to bet then to call.

Steveg1976 said:

Villian has an AF of 10 and is calling station? That doesn't make sense or am I missing something, since he would be 10x more likely to bet then to call.

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Quote from thev OP...."Ignore the VP PFR and AF. I dont have the data. it is not 10-10-10"

stuventus

Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 10/10/10

So I have position on the villain and the hand played out like this

5c10c Ring game. Villain is a bit of a calling station but not awful.


Ignore the VP PFR and AF. I dont have the data. it is not 10-10-10

Villain lips
Hero raises to 90c way too high a bet. You have position and most likely the best hand. 4BB at most to push the blinds out and to allow him to fire a small 3-bet which you could call or a huge 3 bet which you can fold.

Villain calls

flop


villain checks
hero continuation bets 90c I am assuming a lower PFR here. You are betting 1/2 pot (just under) the pot should be smaller. There are no draws on here. You could check to invoke a bluff on the next street, but if you feel your villian has a huge range then this could turn him into a calling station with a low pair between Q-6 so a 3/4 bet is best. If he calls, you should credit him with something on the flop. KQ, A6, QJ, QT, 66, 22, AQ (although this is less likely as he didnt raise preflop.. oh wait your PFR was too big for that!.. maybe suited connectors which just want to see another card. So a 3/4 pot bet here seems right.
villain calls

turn


Villain checks
hero bets $1.20 Great card for you, but as you have credited your villian with something on the flop, this card is most likely going to fold out your opponent unless he has a better hand. (AK is unlikely as he didnt 3bet pre) So most of this time the bet causes him to fold a weaker hand and the few times he calls you are beat.. Dont bet it.


villain calls

river


Villain checks
Hero thinks villain has a little bit of it so bets $1.50 Assuming you didnt bet the turn, he may feel you dont have the A. This card really dosnt change anything. 2 pair is unlikely.. if he has 2 pair, this is likely to be the card that makes it. So it really dosent change anything. Really you want a call on the river. So 1/2 pot bet should be ok. You expect a Q connecting with the flop or a mid A believing you havent got an A.


Villain calls and shows

Although this is really the only hand in his range that could win, its not all that surprising as he called a 9BB PRF.. he had to have something (high pairs or high aces)


Villain takes pot


I have no problem losing to a better hand. But why did he play it like this?

Surely he would check the flop to raise if I bet

Or at least raise me on the river

I am totally confused by this play.

Anybody got any reasons why he would play this way? Maybe he felt that his AQ was ahead of your range. It flopped TPTK and he felt that you would Keep firing so long as he checked.

kcanuck said:

Quote from thev OP...."Ignore the VP PFR and AF. I dont have the data. it is not 10-10-10"

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Thanks, since you know it is easier to type ignore that than to just delete the text completely

Thanks Stu

But I disagree bit time with one of your comments

you should credit him with something on the flop. KQ, A6, QJ, QT, 66, 22, AQ (although this is less likely as he didnt raise preflop

I guess you do not play much 5c10c. I see players limp with hands like KQ 66 AQ just as often as they raise them.

stuventus said:

Thanks Stu

But I disagree bit time with one of your comments

you should credit him with something on the flop. KQ, A6, QJ, QT, 66, 22, AQ (although this is less likely as he didnt raise preflop

I guess you do not play much 5c10c. I see players limp with hands like KQ 66 AQ just as often as they raise them.

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Which is why its a possibility on the flop. (the way I looked at the hand was to explain how it should have played with a smaller bet)

You should be raising preflop, but not 9BB.

AJ is a great hand on the button.

By raising 9BB you are pushing out so many of his bad hands (which you want left in).

Stop worrying about getting out drawn on the flop by bad hands.

It will happen, but you will more than make up for it by betting correctly.

You should be correctly raising hands with value when you have position. Against weaker opponents with wider ranges your hands have inherenlty more value.

2/3 of flops are missed. This means that your opponents who limp and call with weak hands will have missed 2/3 of the time. If they like to c-bet this means that they are c-betting a hand weaker than yours 2/3 of the time.

Raising so much drives out so many of these weaker hands that the c-bets now increase in value, meaning that now when they c-bet you are not ahead quite as often.

By raising 9BB, you give your opponent an easy decision to call with his better hands or fold his worse hands. Its almost as though you are playing against yourself!!!

Thanks again.

I need to work on position more.

Will print off the thread and look at your posts.

Do you have any good articles on position.

Stuventus