$10 NLHE 6-max: Folding KK (overpair) to a 103bb river bet

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10NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Villains are unknown.

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I thought that the villain probably has a lot of boats (JJ/QQ) and slow played AA here. It was really hard to range him, given the preflop action. I was also somewhat tilted about losing an 800bb pot earlier with an overpair running into a set, so that contributed to my decision to fold this hand. The river bet just looked so strong and I didn't think that he could have many busted draws, especially with the Kh in my hand. What do you think about the way I played this hand?
 
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AP I think we need to call river. He limp called pre so it's hard to put on jj/QQ but still possible. He could have QJ, J10 and other hands. I think we should bet turn and x/back river. We can't fold an overpair after showing weakness.
 
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I agree with your thought process 6b. Problem is opponent played the hand really badly so I can't give them too much credit. Getting 3:1 I shrug and call for the simple reason that I have an over-pair on a paired/non flush board and no clue what they're doing.

I'd also bet/call the turn for same reason.. can't give em credit
 
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I'd prefer bet/folding the turn (and obviously checking the river behind unless we spike our K).

As played, I call.

Villain limp/called preflop and called the flop. He could still be getting sticky with 22-55/88-TT/AK/AQ/AJ/KQ/QJ/JT thinking he's ahead after you check-through (since in his mind you obviously have AK here).
 
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It's really hard to assign him a range, given the strange preflop action. Tbh, I think a reg that is playing Zoom style tables almost never have QQ/JJ in his limping range from MP. BTN/CO is going to isolate a ton, limp/rr with QQ/JJ is pretty dumb, and if they flat OOP with QQ/JJ, they are going to be in a pretty crappy spot on many boards. Just open-raising QQ/JJ is always going to be more +EV on Zoom, so I don't see that many combos of QQ/JJ in his range. I might assign him like .5 or .75 combos of each on this river.

In my opinion, you're more likely to see suited broadways and especially pocket pairs. I think deep-stack regs on Zone that cold-call/call 3bets wide because I am deep as well are annoying. They think they can outplay me or something, or get me to stack off 200-300bb deep with AA/KK (which isn't even a large % of my 3-betting range). Once a 300+bb deep-stacked reg in the SB cold-called my BTN 3-bet with 88. I had JJ. Flop J84dd, he donks 80% pot, I raise, he 3-bet jams. Like does he seriously think I have AA/KK/QQ in my flop raising range and stack-off range for 300bb+? I've seen tons of deep-stacked regs call 3-bets wide with pocket pairs when I 3-bet, especially cold-calls. It's usually 77-QQ. They can have AK/AKs too because they don't want to play a huge pot deep-stacked with AK, especially OOP.

I'd say flop bet should be smaller because it's a 4-bet pot. 33-40% should be okay. Around 40% for turn and folding to a raise. Checking back river once called though. As played, I think we should call river. Not too happy about it though. Without the Kh, it's almost a snap-call. We only need to be right less than 30% of the time, and your hand is underrepped.
 
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KK strong hand, preflop by villain limp, so range can be very unexpected like small pairs, connectors, face cards, villain call preflop, call flop, probably can hide QQ/JJ, some draws, but my choise snap call river, i won't fold to this weird preflop action.
 
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In my opinion, you're more likely to see suited broadways and especially pocket pairs. I think deep-stack regs on Zone that cold-call/call 3bets wide because I am deep as well are annoying. They think they can outplay me or something, or get me to stack off 200-300bb deep with AA/KK (which isn't even a large % of my 3-betting range). Once a 300+bb deep-stacked reg in the SB cold-called my BTN 3-bet with 88. I had JJ. Flop J84dd, he donks 80% pot, I raise, he 3-bet jams. Like does he seriously think I have AA/KK/QQ in my flop raising range and stack-off range for 300bb+? I've seen tons of deep-stacked regs call 3-bets wide with pocket pairs when I 3-bet, especially cold-calls. It's usually 77-QQ. They can have AK/AKs too because they don't want to play a huge pot deep-stacked with AK, especially OOP.

PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 153.91 BB
SB: 99.95 BB
Hero (BB): 375.69 BB
UTG: 129.45 BB
MP: 113.2 BB
CO: 268.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7:spade: 7:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 4:heart: K:spade: 7:heart:
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, CO raises to 16 BB, fold, Hero raises to 42 BB, CO calls 26 BB

Turn: (93 BB, 2 players) 6:diamond:
Hero bets 56 BB, CO calls 56 BB

River: (205 BB, 2 players) T:club:
Hero bets 205 BB, CO calls 167.5 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 7:spade: 7:diamond: (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO mucks A:heart: A:diamond: (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 537 BB


Just because you don't, doesn't mean others don't :p
 
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I would have called in that spot, especially in a cash game. I read the villian probably have AK, pocket 6s makes sense also, but unlikely.
 
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PokerStars - $1 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 153.91 BB
SB: 99.95 BB
Hero (BB): 375.69 BB
UTG: 129.45 BB
MP: 113.2 BB
CO: 268.5 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, Hero calls 2 BB

Flop: (9 BB, 3 players) 4<font color='red'>♥</font> K<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='red'>♥</font>
SB checks, Hero bets 5 BB, CO raises to 16 BB, fold, Hero raises to 42 BB, CO calls 26 BB

Turn: (93 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets 56 BB, CO calls 56 BB

River: (205 BB, 2 players) T<font color='black'>♣</font>
Hero bets 205 BB, CO calls 167.5 BB and is all-in

Hero shows 7<font color='black'>♠</font> 7<font color='red'>♦</font> (Three of a Kind, Sevens)
(Pre 20%, Flop 87%, Turn 95%)
CO mucks A<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font> (One Pair, Aces)
(Pre 80%, Flop 13%, Turn 5%)
Hero wins 537 BB


Just because you don't, doesn't mean others don't :p

Would you have gone broke if he 4-bet the flop? :p. I would want to fold, but in-game I'd probably just sigh 5-bet jam lol, hoping he's getting overly aggro with bottom set almost 300bb deep. I like your small donk to induce a raise from him, haha. I just assume 250bb+ players are at least somewhat competent/good regs that are capable of folding one pair hands. There aren't really many bluffs in your range. 53hh/85hh if you call pre got there, and 44/77 can play like this deep-stacked. Not sure if K7s/74hh/76hh jams the river that deep, but he doesn't beat those either OTT. The donk must have messed up his range perception of yours. Nh, and it must have been a nice boost to your BR :)

If the reg were really tricky in this hand, he can have some combos of AA on the river. If he limped AA from MP, then this is probably the only way to play the hand without turning it super face-up. Still can't fold though.
 
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I probably would have Minh and it makes me think that most of the times I got it in behind 250bb+ deep it has been a huge cooler like him having KK or something here. Maybe set mining this deep isn't great because RIO kind of creeps up? I guess thats not true because even if we win 150bb out of their stack it is still very profitable.

I do agree I love that donk bet here, really makes him turn his hand face up on that wet board because flatting is so meh, especially with the 3rd player.

I think once I 3 bet this flop my range looks like 77,44,KQhh,76hh,KJhh and I don't think KJ/KQ jam this river so the only bluff I really have on river is 76hh. I think I could find a fold on river if I was the villain in this hand.
 
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