$10 NLHE 6-max: Folding AA on the flop after being raised

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10NL 6-max zoom NLHE on pokerstars. Villains are unknown.

Boom Hand Replayer

Hero (SB) has $49.41
Villain 1 (BB) has $9.39
Villain 2 (MP) has $11.71

Hero is dealt Ac Ad
Hero posts $0.05
Villain 1 posts $0.10
UTG folds
Villain 2 raises to $0.30
CO folds
BTN calls $0.30
Hero raises to $1.30
Villain 1 calls $1.30
Villain 2 calls $1.30
BTN folds

$4.01 in pot (3 players)
Flop shows Qd 8c 5d

Hero bets $2.20
Villain 1 calls $2.20
Villain 2 raises to $7.50
Hero folds

I'll explain my reasoning: I was fairly confident that at least one player had to have a set here. The only worse hands that I could see the villain raising the flop here are Kd Jd, Kd Td and 6 combos of AQ, since I'm blocking most of his semi-bluff range with the Ad in my hands. If the villain had Kd Jd or Kd Td, he's probably folding preflop to the 3bet, and if he does see the flop, he's probably either shoving or calling, not raising and leaving some money behind. If the villain had AQ, he's probably not raising the flop, given how much strength the hero and first villain had shown, and there's even a chance that he'd 4bet preflop to avoid a multiway pot, meaning he'd never get to this position in the first place (lots of players will 4bet AQo in squeeze spots I've found, since there's a lot of fold equity in doing so). Even villain 1 might have a set here. He may have smooth called the flop with the intention of inviting along the second villain and he may have been planning to shove the turn. So between the two of them, it's difficult for me to have the best hand here, and if I am up against a set, I'm potentially drawing to a 1 outer if one of the villains has AQ.

What are your thoughts on the way I played this hand? And does my reasoning make sense?
 
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Never a fold in that spot.. just b thinking stacks in

If your only calling with qq thats really exploitable

I could pretty much call u any 2 cards and shove flop and make a lot of money

Last thing tho why donk flop if ur worried??? That was ur last chance.. when u decided to lead out u committed
 
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10NL 6-max zoom NLHE on PokerStars. Villains are unknown.

Boom Hand Replayer

Hero (SB) has $49.41
Villain 1 (BB) has $9.39
Villain 2 (MP) has $11.71

Hero is dealt Ac Ad
Hero posts $0.05
Villain 1 posts $0.10
UTG folds
Villain 2 raises to $0.30
CO folds
BTN calls $0.30
Hero raises to $1.30
Villain 1 calls $1.30
Villain 2 calls $1.30
BTN folds

$4.01 in pot (3 players)
Flop shows Qd 8c 5d

Hero bets $2.20
Villain 1 calls $2.20
Villain 2 raises to $7.50
Hero folds

I'll explain my reasoning: I was fairly confident that at least one player had to have a set here. The only worse hands that I could see the villain raising the flop here are Kd Jd, Kd Td and 6 combos of AQ, since I'm blocking most of his semi-bluff range with the Ad in my hands. If the villain had Kd Jd or Kd Td, he's probably folding preflop to the 3bet, and if he does see the flop, he's probably either shoving or calling, not raising and leaving some money behind. If the villain had AQ, he's probably not raising the flop, given how much strength the hero and first villain had shown, and there's even a chance that he'd 4bet preflop to avoid a multiway pot, meaning he'd never get to this position in the first place (lots of players will 4bet AQo in squeeze spots I've found, since there's a lot of fold equity in doing so). Even villain 1 might have a set here. He may have smooth called the flop with the intention of inviting along the second villain and he may have been planning to shove the turn. So between the two of them, it's difficult for me to have the best hand here, and if I am up against a set, I'm potentially drawing to a 1 outer if one of the villains has AQ.

What are your thoughts on the way I played this hand? And does my reasoning make sense?

I think that it was a mistake from yyour side ... you had a huge stack against V1 and V2 that was a chance for a realy good money ... and in my opinion most likely he/she had a A Q ... or he was waiting for a flush most of the players in Zoom are going all in on the flops like this with a cards for a flush drow ok top pair... personal opinion ;)
 
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Never a fold in that spot.. just b thinking stacks in

If your only calling with qq thats really exploitable

I could pretty much call u any 2 cards and shove flop and make a lot of money

Last thing tho why donk flop if ur worried??? That was ur last chance.. when u decided to lead out u committed

It wasn't a donk, it was a continuation bet. And I purposely bet a small amount (less than 60% pot) so that I wouldn't be committed.

And like I said: having the Ad in my hands just made it so much worse for me. I'm blocking out most flush draws in their range and limiting the amount of AQ combos down to just 6.

And no one knows that I folded AA, so they can't exactly exploit me for that. They know I'm calling it off with a set or a flush draw, so it's not like my bet/fold range is huge.

I think that it was a mistake from yyour side ... you had a huge stack against V1 and V2 that was a chance for a realy good money ... and in my opinion most likely he/she had a A Q ... or he was waiting for a flush most of the players in Zoom are going all in on the flops like this with a cards for a flush drow ok top pair... personal opinion ;)

The huge stack is the thing that made it worse! If we were playing with 60bb effective stacks, I would've happily stacked off. But when the effective stack sizes are 117bbs, I need to protect myself against set-miners. And when your preflop raise gets multiple callers, you can be fairly sure that at least 1 of them is set-mining.

And like I said, there are only 6 combos of AQ remaining, and there are also 6 combos of QQ, so it's equally likely that they have top set as it is that they have TPTK (and remember that there are other sets out there too, not just top set).
 
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Interesting scenario. I understand your reasoning but I think you should have called. You have the best starting hand (of course). You already committed some cash and you need to add 2 thirds more to see the outcome, plus you can afford it. In that situation it is very much possible that the other player has QA or QK which of course it's great for you. Yes, it is possible that he/she has QQ or 88 or 55, although I highly doubt he/she has 55. The flush draw is possible but you hold one out there which is even better for you. Two pair on that flop and preflop for that matter is highly unlikely so you have only 2-3 possible hands that beat you. I would have called most definitely. There are a lot worse flops for AA than that one. Cheers
 
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It wasn't a donk, it was a continuation bet. And I purposely bet a small amount (less than 60% pot) so that I wouldn't be committed.

And like I said: having the Ad in my hands just made it so much worse for me. I'm blocking out most flush draws in their range and limiting the amount of AQ combos down to just 6.

And no one knows that I folded AA, so they can't exactly exploit me for that. They know I'm calling it off with a set or a flush draw, so it's not like my bet/fold range is huge.



The huge stack is the thing that made it worse! If we were playing with 60bb effective stacks, I would've happily stacked off. But when the effective stack sizes are 117bbs, I need to protect myself against set-miners. And when your preflop raise gets multiple callers, you can be fairly sure that at least 1 of them is set-mining.

And like I said, there are only 6 combos of AQ remaining, and there are also 6 combos of QQ, so it's equally likely that they have top set as it is that they have TPTK (and remember that there are other sets out there too, not just top set).
How about K K ? isnt it a option too ? why not on the bord with a Q high card i would go all in for this pot thats for sure ... bus as i sad before this's all personal opinion and my own view of the situation and the way i was gonna act ... but i was gonna call... any way i hope you had took the best desicion! :)
 
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I think its a fold, assuming villians are good players.
 
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I was going to say I never fold there, but if villain 1 is competent, he has cold-called a 3b oop so I would be concerned about that and the fact he has called the flop and is still to act.
However, I can't imagine him being that competent, he's got a little less than a full stack too. Villain 2 can have some draws, like 9Tdd, JTdd, maybe even 67dd or even pair + fd like like 89 or 87dd. Sets are a worry but there aren't enough combos of sets to fold here imo. The possibility of AQ or even KQ and the draws would mean I couldn't find a fold
 
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