$10 NLHE 6-max: Fold KK preflop? Too nitty?

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 27/22/6

Villain was a reg with a 3Bet of 1.5. He squeezed hard from SB and I was about sure that his range here is only AA,KK


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Hero (BB) ($10)
UTG ($11.32)
MP ($10.40)
CO ($10.75)
Button ($10)
SB ($19.41)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K
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, K
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UTG raises $0.45, 1 fold, CO calls $0.45, 1 fold, SB raises $1.65, 2 folds, CO calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.95) 10
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, 3
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(2 players)
SB bets $2.90, 1 fold

Total pot: $3.95

Results below:
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i think if he's only 3 betting 1% of a decent sample then there's definitely an argument for folding pre, since you can expect him to show up with AA very often with such a narrow range. What i don't understand is why you called a 3 bet only to fold to a c bet on one of the best boards for KK?
 
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i think if he's only 3 betting 1% of a decent sample then there's definitely an argument for folding pre, since you can expect him to show up with AA very often with such a narrow range. What i don't understand is why you called a 3 bet only to fold to a c bet on one of the best boards for KK?

I did not. I was on BB(Hero) and folded when the guy on SB squeezed hard the other 2.
 
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So you are set mining with KK? I'm a little confused.
 
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@John A: He folded KK preflop so there was no setminning at all.

With a 3-bet% of 1.5% that could include QQ+ and AKs which would make your fold bad. His squeeze size really isn't that huge either. In fact, it is normal sized possibly even smaller than other people from the SB.

How many hands do you have on your opponent? That 1.5% number could vary quite a bit.

To save yourself trouble ignore all this (including your HUD) and just 3-bet your KK. Folding KK will almost always be the equivalent of dumping money down the drain.

Ignore your HUD for this, even if 3bet% is 0% after 1000 hands. Your opponent could be experimenting by changing up his game or be on tilt.
 
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SB had a 3-Bet of 1.5 over almost 200 hands.
And yes again. I folded preflop.
 
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i think 200 hands definitely isn't enough to draw conclusions on about how narrow he 3 bets. not just that but against a 1.5% range we are actually ahead with 52% equity according to my equity calculator. if it was 1% over 1000 hands then maybe you can fold.
 
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As AA, AK and QQ are all in his range, why not call here?
 
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i think 200 hands definitely isn't enough to draw conclusions on about how narrow he 3 bets. not just that but against a 1.5% range we are actually ahead with 52% equity according to my equity calculator. if it was 1% over 1000 hands then maybe you can fold.

1.5% over 200 hands is 3/200 then he 3 bets with AA but the point is that the sample is too small maybe i should 4 bet to see what happened!
 
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As AA, AK and QQ are all in his range, why not call here?

The initial raiser from the UTG was a TAG and the CO was a fish. The SB squeeze looked strong because he squeezed over the 4.5 BBs raise. The only move i could had made is shove over. Calling is out of the question. I just did not see how any of the other 2 regs involved in the hand could call me with less than KK. And the fish was loose passive kind that calls huge 3-bets but folds to AI.

Anyway. I asked opinions because i could not judge fast enough the situation. Better said i got scared.
 
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Nah I don't get this KK fold pre, even if the HUD is saying he has AA. I think his range is JJ+ for sure but he easily could have QQ or JJ. Though u could 4bet pre and if he 5bets shove i dunno with these stats maybe fold. Not sure with the play after 5bet here...
 
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The initial raiser from the UTG was a TAG and the CO was a fish. The SB squeeze looked strong because he squeezed over the 4.5 BBs raise. The only move i could had made is shove over. Calling is out of the question. I just did not see how any of the other 2 regs involved in the hand could call me with less than KK. And the fish was loose passive kind that calls huge 3-bets but folds to AI.

Anyway. I asked opinions because i could not judge fast enough the situation. Better said i got scared.

How many samples do you have here?
 
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Agree sample size is too small to fold KK. You have to remember that some players at these stakes like to flat premium and bluff with garbage and like to make moves..cos they read in a book that you should squeeze sometimes.
And as pointed out 1.5 includes AKs which you crush. Sure he will have aces here plenty but we are playing his range
You still have room to call and shove any non ace flop here imo.
 
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@John A: He folded KK preflop so there was no setminning at all.

Understand sarcasm ??

@swingro - Why are you playing so tight ?? Geez even a homeless man will risk everything he has with those cards. :bike:
 
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