$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopping Set then Facing River Shove

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Only had a 11 hand sample on Villan.

Cassava Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2281237
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SB: $3.43
Hero (BB): $14.73
UTG: $10.67
CO: $12.41
BTN: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2d 2c
UTG raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 7d 6s 2h (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63

Turn: ($2.11) Kc (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.38, Hero calls $1.38

River: ($4.87) Ac (2 players)
Hero bets $2.53, UTG raises to $8.26, Hero ??

 
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Only had a 11 hand sample on Villan.

Cassava Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - http://www.handconverter.com/hands/2281237
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $3.43
Hero (BB): $14.73
UTG: $10.67
CO: $12.41
BTN: $10.00

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 2d 2c
UTG raises to $0.40, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.30

Flop: ($0.85) 7d 6s 2h (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $0.63, Hero calls $0.63

Turn: ($2.11) Kc (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1.38, Hero calls $1.38

River: ($4.87) Ac (2 players)
Hero bets $2.53, UTG raises to $8.26, Hero ??

Why not get the money in earlier?

I would've donked flop, he is likely to call with any overpair. Not a great board for him to cbet after UTG raise so I wouldn't have counted on that. As played, why not x/r flop (his cbet reps an overpair)? You want the money in when you're ahead and there is a good chance he will call with overpair.

As played, I would let him barrell the K and x/r. If you had raised flop I would be more inclined to lead out on turn instead.

River is obv a disastrous card, I prob would've c/c, can't see what worse hands he expects us to call with.
 
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Why not get the money in earlier?

I would've donked flop, he is likely to call with any overpair. Not a great board for him to cbet after UTG raise so I wouldn't have counted on that. As played, why not x/r flop (his cbet reps an overpair)? You want the money in when you're ahead and there is a good chance he will call with overpair.

As played, I would let him barrell the K and x/r. If you had raised flop I would be more inclined to lead out on turn instead.

River is obv a disastrous card, I prob would've c/c, can't see what worse hands he expects us to call with.
Why is the river a disastrous card? Snap call.

If you want to raise I'd make it on the turn, not the flop and I hate donking on a flop like this.
 
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Thanks for your comments.

I agree getting the money in earlier would have been a better option.

As it turns out I don't think I would have got him off his hand even with a turn shove so with that river the hand was always going to be a cooler...
 
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Why is the river a disastrous card? Snap call.

If you want to raise I'd make it on the turn, not the flop and I hate donking on a flop like this.
Sorry bad wording, meant strengthens his range. Would you prefer leading out river or check/calling?

Agree that donking flop seems stupid, and the way the hand played out I would also wait till turn to raise, but I have been killed lately by slowplaying so I prob just raise flop if he is stupid enough to cbet that board in position with air.
 
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10nl regs that still 4x UTG aren't good enough to fold overpairs on the flop so raise flop..

turns semi distastrous as it only improves the AK/KQ part of his range, I hate raising turn instead of flop because we only get value from the above range, QQ/JJ etc bet/fold now?

river donk is prob bad, but we can't fold a set given our line.
 
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I don't really see any point in leading the river because his range that might call a river bet but checks back if we check is almost nonexistent.

If we ch/shove it has to be because we think he can have some Kx 2 pair combos in addition to AK (since any other Ax hands he has are fairly unlikely to have bet the turn). It's probably a ch/call river.
 
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10nl regs that still 4x UTG aren't good enough to fold overpairs on the flop so raise flop..
This is true but how much of his range is overpairs vs just a couple of overcards. I mean the only thing we can really have when we raise a flop like this is a set and I think he just folds a ton.

You're probably right about not raising the turn though.
 
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regardless, we want stacks so we raise vs the strongest part of his range.

+ we're OOP so when he checks turns w/ JJ on K turns or checks AK on brick turns we lose value.

might as well try and get it in on flops/turns before he thinks of a reason to fold.

I don't flatting is bad, just that we end up playing guessing games OOP and hoping he triples his overpairs + calls a river shove + a good run-out? seems optimistic.
 
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