$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped top set in a 3 bet pot

OK, I was told off for calling here. (By a poker buddy who I discussed this with)
I thought UTG would come along, or was hoping he would, and was told that it was a horrendous call on my part. So comments on the call are welcome.

Now I obv. want max value, so lines you will take here?



Pacific $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 2123729
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BB: $14.49 - VPIP: 33, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, hands: 9
UTG: $10.39 - VPIP: 50, PFR: 21, 3B: 17, AF: 0,3, Hands: 14
CO: $11.62 - VPIP: 49, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 3,8, Hands: 73
BTN: $5.22 - VPIP: 78, PFR: 11, 3B: 0, AF: 0,0, Hands: 9
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 14, 3B: 4, AF: 1,5, Hands: 19838

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with T :club: T :diamond:
UTG raises to $0.26, CO raises to $0.93, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.88, 2 folds

Flop: ($2.22) 6 :diamond: 9 :club: T :spade: (2 players)
Hero ??

Definitely agree with your poker buddy on this. If the game was deepstack poker then this can be arguably an okay call, but with 100bb's and OOP against a 3 bet against two opponents is a fold.

1. UTG can come over the top and you have to fold.

2. Any over card comes on the flop or turn and you have a tough decision.

2. If he is aggressive post-flop and board has under cards you have a harder decision as he could easily have J/J+.

Even when you make your set the villain needs to have a hand and you can always be hit by set over set, so definitely not getting implied odds to call here.

Unfortunately you can't check their positional 3-bet and pfr since you have so few hands on the guys. You have 49% equity against 7% and people say that playing a medium pocket pairs oop sucks . So I suppose its a fold.
The flop is very dry and both of these guys seem kinda passive. Again, more stats would be awesome, cbet% or fold to cbet%. I suppose you could try to c-raise and hope someone has an overpair. Just donking out for about 2/3 of the pot wouldn't be a terrible mistake in my book either since they both are passive.

bricht said:

Unfortunately you can't check their positional 3-bet and pfr since you have so few hands on the guys. You have 49% equity against 7% and people say that playing a medium pocket pairs oop sucks . So I suppose its a fold.
The flop is very dry and both of these guys seem kinda passive. Again, more stats would be awesome, cbet% or fold to cbet%. I suppose you could try to c-raise and hope someone has an overpair. Just donking out for about 2/3 of the pot wouldn't be a terrible mistake in my book either since they both are passive.

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Both hand samples are too few to say if they are passive or not, need around 300+ I would say for aggression, if not more as I have done sessions and my aggression ranges from passive to maniac... Just depends on the cards and opponents.

Yoshimiii said:

Both hand samples are too few to say if they are passive or not, need around 300+ I would say for aggression, if not more as I have done sessions and my aggression ranges from passive to maniac... Just depends on the cards and opponents.

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Emm, yeah, actually no stats are valid here... my mistake. I suppose c-raising is the standard move OTF then.

bricht said:

Emm, yeah, actually no stats are valid here... my mistake. I suppose c-raising is the standard move OTF then.

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Why would a check-raise be standard? Check/calling and betting the turn is also a valid line to take, donk betting if you think he has an overpair but might fold to a check-raise or slowplaying might also be fine depending on turn card that comes.

Looks like it's HU to the flop bricht.

Yeah it's a fold pre. TT is the same as 22 here more or less, and we don't even close the action.

I would aim to x/c flop, simply because we're going to stack monster pairs almost always, and we don't want to fold out AK/AQs/BS type hands. So just let him bet and don't fold

fold preflop. In your case donk bet on flop or c/r.

God damn thats a nice table.

I fold pre if I had position this would be the weakest hand I call and only then as we have two huge whales and a pp we aint set mining with.

I donk the flop if the 3better was next to act then I'd checkraise but as it is utg can check very strong holdings here. That and donking here wont be seen as super string by two huge fishcakes.

Oh flop aint multiway. Check raise I dont mind a donk bet and hate a check call.

Yeah. not a fan of calling a 3bet when there is still UTG who has to clse the action and theres gonna be a ton of times where he might squeeze causing us to fold and bleeding more chips.

Flop is nice.. just like x/c no point donking here, or c/r. c/r would look way to super strong on this board. However, if vilian is 3betting over pairs here, he will likely stack of when he bets the turn and you c/r depending on the card.

Deco said:

Oh flop aint multiway. Check raise I dont mind a donk bet and hate a check call.

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Why do you hate check call?

ramdeebam said:

Why do you hate check call?

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The fish will not value bet as wide of a range as he will call off.