$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped straight, reg raises and fish shoves

poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2228778
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BTN: $17.73
SB: $28.85
Hero (BB): $10.99
UTG: $12.50
MP: $5.46
CO: $10.15

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 8 7
UTG raises to $0.30, 1 fold, CO calls $0.30, BTN calls $0.30, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($1.25) 9 T J (4 players)
Hero bets $0.80, UTG raises to $1.90, CO folds, BTN raises to $17.43 all in, Hero calls $9.89 all in, UTG calls $10.30 all in

Turn: ($36.34) A (3 players - 3 are all in)

River: ($36.34) K (3 players - 3 are all in)


OK so the flop is fairly wet and if the reg has nothing then he checks, seeing as the other two players are likely to check behind as well I decided a donk is best, it also forces the reg to raise with 99/TT/JJ/QQ/KK/AA/TJ meaning we can come over the top and put him to a decision. Obv some time he has KQ, but we get stacked anyway right?

The player who shoved is a fish, I expect him to show up with plenty of trashy hands here.

Reg-y villain plays 19/11 and is a fairly bad multitabler. Fish is 37/17.

I'm fairly sure I played this hand perfect, but was wondering if there is anything different you would do?

Quick edit - There is a case for folding pre, but the two callers were fairly fishy and I'm getting good immediate odds. The reg is going to play extremely face up in this position so I don't necessarily think it is bad to flat.

It would be a tough spot to be in indeed if they were both regs. However with the BTN being a fish, a call here is almost mandatory as you said he can have a wide range and the reg can have sets/flush draws/2 pairs etc (flush draw being the unlikliest as their is a fish in the pot as well and he see's you bet OOP into 2 players).

Don't fold pre.

i wouldn't be worrying about UTG here. chances of him having KQ are pretty slim. he most likely has an overpair or trips IMO. the problem is now that the fish has over shoved the already large action, you could be in a bad race(if not drawing dead.)
ur going to have to dodge alot of bullets to win this one. i dont mind letting it go here after the fish shoves. if it was only against UTG im shipping

vinylspiros said:

i wouldn't be worrying about UTG here. chances of him having KQ are pretty slim. he most likely has an overpair or trips IMO. the problem is now that the fish has over shoved the already large action, you could be in a bad race(if not drawing dead.)
ur going to have to dodge alot of bullets to win this one. i dont mind letting it go here after the fish shoves. if it was only against UTG im shipping

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Lots of dead money in the pot though, if UTG can have a wide range here then shoving is definitely best even if we have to dodge half the deck.

I wouldn't ever fold pre in the same spot. 20c to win $1.20 with suited connectors sounds like a great deal to me!

I think I could find a fold here, its marginal for sure, and i've got nothing to back it up with except experience lol but I'd expect one of them to show up with QK here and have us beat from the off, with the other to have some big draw.

Thing is we don't know that the reg is calling, obv if he calls then we reduce his range to 99/TT/JJ/KQ. However he also raise/folds his overpairs so I don't think we can assume that he is calling here all the time. FWIW the fish only sat down like 30 hands ago with a stack twice that size and dropped it all fairly quickly. If a fish, especially a tilted one has us here then I would consider myself coolered.

Also - Even if we have to dodge half the deck I still think it's plus EV seeing as we will be playing for 300BBs. So it's definitely higher variance but we get a larger payoff.

Question though, are you guys fine with my reasoning and line? Or do you prefer a X/R?

Im folding after all the raising on the flop.

There is this thing with 87s and hands like that if you flop a 910J straight, you have the fools end. You are very vulnerable to KQ. In these situations you are drawing dead. In a case of several people chasing, you could easily be outdrawn.
On that wet flop you have some options,but none help you too much.

1. Bet as you did so people don't try to outdraw you ( big risk is that you are just diving in a trap and someone has KQ).
2. Check - call(but that means you might give someone a free card - it depends on whether you know someone will bet for you)
3. Feeler bet for a smaller %of the pot( but that is bad because you are giving someone the implied odds to pursue getting the straight/flush)

This is a tricky situation to say the least

Its a fold for all the reasons we discussed on skype earlier.

never ever folding this not even close ,

we bet flop UTG raises with (99+,AcKc,AhKh,AsKs,AQs-AJs,KQs,AJo+,KQo) witch means we are like 65% favourite ,
then the fish goes all in who is running at 37/17 , he is capable of doing this with top pair at theses stakes fearing a flush beating him or going for the flush himself.

Add to this we don't know that UTG is calling , and the vast majority of the time we have the fish crushed

MaDaMan said:

1. Bet as you did so people don't try to outdraw you ( big risk is that you are just diving in a trap and someone has KQ). Small risk because KQ is a very small % of their range
2. Check - call(but that means you might give someone a free card - it depends on whether you know someone will bet for you) Worst thing you could possibly do giving free cards on such a wet flop is suicide.
3. Feeler bet for a smaller %of the pot( but that is bad because you are giving someone the implied odds to pursue getting the straight/flush)Not only this but whats the plan on the turn ?

This is a tricky situation to say the least

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keep it simple ship it in on the flop

^this why poker is profitable

kanselau said:

keep it simple ship it in on the flop

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MaDaMan said:

There is this thing with 87s and hands like that if you flop a 910J straight, you have the fools end. You are very vulnerable to KQ. In these situations you are drawing dead. In a case of several people chasing, you could easily be outdrawn.
On that wet flop you have some options,but none help you too much.

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I never said that option 2 or 3 were what he should do and since i explained why they're bad i pretty much explained why you shouldn't do it.

When the money went all in, on the flop you probably had the best hand, but it went to shit in a hurry, and you got beat by the toyota (4 runners). And it was probably a royal.

Its a facepalmer for sure. Not much you can do other than what you did, few of us will be finding that fold on the flop even tho we are the idiot end of the str8.