$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped straight vs 2 regs.

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So I am playing 10nl and 20nl at the same time, 6 tabling.

This weird hand occurs, here is the stats I have:
UTG 89 hands 15/9 AF 0.56
CO 422 hands 22/13 AF 5
BB and Button are not needed.

888 Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $6.26
UTG: $10.44
CO: $11.38
BTN: $5.32
Hero (SB): $10.00

Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 9:diamond: K:diamond:

UTG raises to $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) T:heart: J:club: Q:diamond:
Hero bets $0.75, UTG calls $0.75, CO raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $9.70, fold, CO calls $7.70


Right. Should I check raise this flop? Or, maybe, how the hand played, just call the raise and hope UTG comes along? Do you ever risk seeing a turn knowing a set is such a huge possibility or do you always try and get it all in on the flop like I did?

EDIT: I am playing 50/36 on the table but only 14 hands, overall I am pretty LAG, playing 28/19 over 50.000 hands. So the 2 guys in the hand might take this in consideration.
 
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Fold pre. As played bet the flop for sure and get it in.
 
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why are calling a raise OOP vs a regs UTG open?

and then donks it, -.-

this flop hits ranges so hard you can check raise and stack off against one of them and expect to be up sets/two pairs a lot.

UTG will show up with AK sometimes but not enough to ever fold..

but just fold it pre..
 
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Fold pre and ch/raise imo.
 
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Yeah I can see C-r being much better. I was being results oriented. we'll get CO to put money in more often by checking.
 
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Fold or raise preflop. I prefer raise, even though the original raiser seems tight its over a short sample and there are a lot of hands you can apply pressure to. Calling is very bad. On the flop you basically push out a ton of worse hands which is not ideal. I think you need to play it less aggressively one way or the other. I like leading and calling a raise, then check shoving the turn. But again you should have never gotten to flop like this, if you had gotten to the flop as the 3bettor like this it would be an easy cbet get in.
 
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I can tell you why I am not folding K9s in the blinds, saw a video from 0Human0, you know, the highstakes/nosebleeds player from pokerstars, he says we should defend from the blinds with a call with hands like suited connectors and small pocket pairs.

Plus I am putting only 25c in, there are already 75c in the pot, and BB is likely to come along since he is the fish, so I am thinking I have a nice looking hand, can make a straight and I can make a flush, most likely in a 4 ways pot, at worst I am folding and losing 25c. Also I plan to fold top pair, I only continue on the flop with 2 pairs or better.
 
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I can tell you why I am not folding K9s in the blinds, saw a video from 0Human0, you know, the highstakes/nosebleeds player from pokerstars

But you're not a nosebleeds player. Calling pre here is pretty terrible.
 
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But you're not a nosebleeds player. Calling pre here is pretty terrible.

He said we, microstakes players should call suited connectors and small pp, he was playing 10nl, he didn't say what kind of hands he calls with at 50/100.

I would link the video but it is in romanian.
 
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By calling you are out of position with a very marginial hands vs two regs, whose ranges crush your hand. I'm all for potting K9s OTB when they both limp but this is a very clear fold.
 
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Calling pre is bad and if your db is large enough I bet your results prove it.
 
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He said we, microstakes players should call suited connectors and small pp, he was playing 10nl, he didn't say what kind of hands he calls with at 50/100.

I would link the video but it is in romanian.

K9s is not a suited connector. It's a suited three-gapper. Suited connectors by definition are suited consecutive values. Anything that can make a straight but which is not consecutive is a gapper. The odds for connectors and gappers are different, and three-gappers are the worst odds of all gappers.

You are about 4 times less likely to flop a straight with a three-gapper than you are a suited connector.
 
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0Human0 says call because he is a great player. I have played with him a lot and I think that some of his defends from the blinds are hopeful, but it does seem like he makes it work a lot of the time because he plays very very well. The downside is a tight player like myself can 3barrel him off of some of those marginal hands and suited connectors. The bottom line is if you don't play as good as 0Human0 you should tighten up your range. I certainly don't hate the defend but when you combine it with some really odd postflop donk lead massive overbet shove with second nuts, I think its clear that you need to rethink your postflop lines and get better at extracting value with your strong hands postflop before you begin calling marginal hands out of the blinds. While in the end you are right that hands like these can generally be playable, the amount of value you get from them may not be worth the frustration and variance for you right now.
 
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