$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped OPSFD in position against a 3bet shove

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$10 NL HE 6-max: Flopped OPSFD in position against a 3bet shove

Some people might think this is a bad call, but I have position and if I hit a good flop I can stack someone (This opponent will stack TPTK). I think I have to call the flop shove, but should I have re-raised after he Cbet, or should I have flatted him? Thanks. Villain is 22/14/0 over 50 hands.

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Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 6 Players
Hand History Converter by Stoxpoker

CO: $19.30 (193 bb)
Hero (BTN): $10 (100 bb)
SB: $4.73 (47.3 bb)
BB: $10.45 (104.5 bb)
UTG: $18.92 (189.2 bb)
MP: $9.64 (96.4 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is BTN with 9 T
UTG raises to $0.35, 2 folds, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds

Flop: ($0.85) 3 8 J (2 players)
UTG bets $0.70, Hero raises to $2.10, UTG raises to $18.57 and is all-in, Hero ??
 
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The hand is played fine. We obviously call as were a favourite against nearly anything here. You really can never go wrong with raising a draw this good.

I normally don't like calling with suited connectors but your reasoning for doing so is sound, especially as he has a tight PFR stat and his raising from UTG.
 
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looks fine to me all around. Never ever folding here.
 
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Like how u played it and we have to call.
We are favorite even against a nitty range like 33,88,JJ,QQ,KK,AA,AJ so folding is out of the question.
 
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I like just calling the flop in position, am I strange?

I mean, the goal of the hand isn't to make a coinflip draw, and jam it in. The point of the hand is that this guy will stack top pair hands, so make a hand better than top pair & then get the money in. He's spewing implied odds, not fold equity. So the goal of this hand needs to be to capitalize on those implied odds.

By raising the flop for value, we really don't get that much value out of our hand, since we're not that far ahead of his calling/jamming range.
 
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yeah, flatting and trying to hit our hand is going to be valuable too, but we don't know this guy is horrible yet, and we know he's not a complete nit...so I don't really see CRAZY implied odds here.
 
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(This opponent will stack TPTK)
Seems like a bit of a read. If we had a read that our opponent is capable of folding top pairs to a bluff-raise, then I'd prefer a jam & get it in line. But it seems like the best way to exploit an opponent who will stack light is to make hands & get paid. Just seems like a logical inconsistency to go "oh man, this guy will stack off light" and then raise the flop.

Not to mention that our straight outs are clean, well disguised, and we're in position. If this were me, my table image is such that I can get called down by top pair on 3 flush boards when I'm putting in action, so I probably wouldn't raise this flop.
 
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I like just calling the flop in position, am I strange?

I mean, the goal of the hand isn't to make a coinflip draw, and jam it in. The point of the hand is that this guy will stack top pair hands, so make a hand better than top pair & then get the money in. He's spewing implied odds, not fold equity. So the goal of this hand needs to be to capitalize on those implied odds.

By raising the flop for value, we really don't get that much value out of our hand, since we're not that far ahead of his calling/jamming range.

I agree with you here C9 and i'm just flatting this flop bet. We might be a favorite but we're still on a draw.
 
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Seems like a bit of a read. If we had a read that our opponent is capable of folding top pairs to a bluff-raise, then I'd prefer a jam & get it in line. But it seems like the best way to exploit an opponent who will stack light is to make hands & get paid. Just seems like a logical inconsistency to go "oh man, this guy will stack off light" and then raise the flop.

Not to mention that our straight outs are clean, well disguised, and we're in position. If this were me, my table image is such that I can get called down by top pair on 3 flush boards when I'm putting in action, so I probably wouldn't raise this flop.

I'm not expecting toppair to 3bet. I think he'll call and then we can choose to take a free card safe in the knowledge if we hit the river we can shove on the inevitable bet coming our way.

Seems a perfectly good line tho here as I think AA-QQ are 3betting us all day long. I dunno I just can't bring myself to just flat draws this ausum against a mere c-bet.
 
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There is no chance that i am folding this draw,But i think i would have called on the flop.

Thats just me,i prefer keeping the pot small untill i have a made hand.:D

So did you hit your straight flush???:D :D :D

Lazmansa:cool:
 
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Thanks for all the feedback. Of course I called the bet and I hit a straight-flush on the river as the Queen of Spades hit. There is a vast difference in opinions, as some say I should have flatted, and others say I should have raised. The reason that I decided to go for the raise instead of the flat is I'm not quite sure if I would have got paid if the flush hit and I flatted (I might get called if only a straight card hit, as my hand is kinda hidden, and a flush draw would be more likely IMHO). Although I have a note that he will stack with TPTK, I don't know if he will stack with a flush out there. That was my thinking, along with the fact that if I miss the draw on the turn, I'll have to call the turn bet as I'll still be around a 60/40 dog (but I guess in that case if I do hit the river, the odds will be so good oppenent will call, so maybe flatting was the right play, as I would save some money if I do not hit and fold).
 
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