$10 NLHE 6-max: Flopped 2 pair

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888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: $10.84
SB: $9.80
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $10.60
MP: $18.64
CO: $6.01

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10, CO posts DB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.25) Hero has 9h Ac

fold, fold, CO checks, fold, SB calls $0.05, Hero checks

Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) Jd 9d Ad
SB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, fold

Turn: ($0.90, 2 players) Qc
Hero bets $0.67, CO calls $0.67

River: ($2.24, 2 players) 3d
Hero checks, CO bets $1.80, fold

Any changes? Make him pay more on the turn?
 
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Raise pf, rest looks fine.
 
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i would say it depends on the action of the players throughtout the game.
 
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Bet more turn, probably raising pre too but does depend on the players and isn't an "auto raise"
 
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Just check pre. Why are we building a pot OOP vs. a loose fish with a hand that never flops anything?
 
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Just check pre. Why are we building a pot OOP vs. a loose fish with a hand that never flops anything?

Because it crushes his range? He limps plenty of worse Aces and a Kx and SC and loads of crap
 
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Just check pre. Why are we building a pot OOP vs. a loose fish with a hand that never flops anything?

I think raising pre is ok with A,9os, as we have two limpers, it's gonna play bad three way, but if we I'd 5x pre and isolate the loose limp/caller fish and get it HU we're going to always have more equity than him or at the very least, out play him.
 
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Yeh raisings fine, but like baudib said the hand is actually pretty shit and vs fish who aren't folding good luck "outplaying" them ;) I think its something i still make the mistake of doing a ton, just raising cause they limp and limping is weak, then we miss like every flop and get bluffed off our hand a ton... OR try outplaying them and making fancy hero calls with A high :/
 
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Just check pre. Why are we building a pot OOP vs. a loose fish with a hand that never flops anything?
What? Villain posted OOP preflop and then SB limped along. Raise pre 100% and make it big.~.35. Cbet almost all flops and make $$.
 
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My bad, didn't realize there was a post and the SB in.
 
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Yeh raisings fine, but like baudib said the hand is actually pretty shit and vs fish who aren't folding good luck "outplaying" them ;) I think its something i still make the mistake of doing a ton, just raising cause they limp and limping is weak, then we miss like every flop and get bluffed off our hand a ton... OR try outplaying them and making fancy hero calls with A high :/

Outplay fish = lol .. agreed

I see tons of regs at mid stakes even still do this. Get too fancy against bad players, especially at 400nl where there are still some bad fish, and bad regs make all sorts of silly 3-bets and moves to get them to fold top or 2nd pair and get snapped off. It's not happening as much as in the past, because the games have gotten tougher, but I still see it a ton.
 
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What? Villain posted OOP preflop and then SB limped along. Raise pre 100% and make it big.~.35. Cbet almost all flops and make $$.

To clarify and please correct me if I'm wrong. We re-raise here because the Villain is in CO which means his range is wide in an attempt to steal.

As I'm OOP or potentially against 2 opponents is it wise to c-bet? Do you still c-bet with a dry board here?

Yeah, I don't try to outplay too many guys. If I have a hand which beats most of his range I get my chips in.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
 
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Outplay fish = lol .. agreed

I see tons of regs at mid stakes even still do this. Get too fancy against bad players, especially at 400nl where there are still some bad fish, and bad regs make all sorts of silly 3-bets and moves to get them to fold top or 2nd pair and get snapped off. It's not happening as much as in the past, because the games have gotten tougher, but I still see it a ton.

Why's i = lol? It's the easiest of things to do, out play the fish..much easier than out playing a decent player. Not sure why thats funny? lol.

You do realise, it's the fish you want to be in a pot with and out playing?..not the decent players..this goes for 3betting hands you're ahead..not turning into a passive c/c player.

Whats fancy about 3betting a hand that you're ahead of btw? I mean, that's normal...right?..You bet ranges which have the other player beat...

Don't think you quite understand what was said though. Out play the fish as in, 3bet A,9os and be ahead of his limp/calling range and out play him on the flop/turn/river..doesn't mean you have to try and bluff him off any piece of the board he hits..just means outplaying him and letting him pay you off most times which is highly probable if he's a limp/calling fishy sort of player.
 
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To clarify and please correct me if I'm wrong. We re-raise here because the Villain is in CO which means his range is wide in an attempt to steal.

As I'm OOP or potentially against 2 opponents is it wise to c-bet? Do you still c-bet with a dry board here?

Yeah, I don't try to outplay too many guys. If I have a hand which beats most of his range I get my chips in.

Thanks for the feedback guys.
CO didn't attempt to steal, he posted the big blind OOP. Huge difference.

Why's i = lol? It's the easiest of things to do, out play the fish..much easier than out playing a decent player. Not sure why thats funny? lol.

You do realise, it's the fish you want to be in a pot with and out playing?..not the decent players..this goes for 3betting hands you're ahead..not turning into a passive c/c player.

Whats fancy about 3betting a hand that you're ahead of btw? I mean, that's normal...right?..You bet ranges which have the other player beat...

Don't think you quite understand what was said though. Out play the fish as in, 3bet A,9os and be ahead of his limp/calling range and out play him on the flop/turn/river..doesn't mean you have to try and bluff him off any piece of the board he hits..just means outplaying him which is highly probable if he's a limp/calling fishy sort of player.
We wouldn't be 3betting here.
 
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I meant raising to ISO the limper pre, not 3betting :confused:
 
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CO didn't attempt to steal, he posted the big blind OOP. Huge difference.

Yeah sorry, I forgot to add that. His call rather than raise makes his range in this position even wider. This is why we 3bet.
 
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His "range" is literally any 2 cards since he posted the blind BEFORE the cards were dealt. His range is actually likely worse than ATC because he elected not to raise.
 
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Cheers WVH. Too many hits to the head at rugby tonight, not seeing all the details.
 
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With 4 diamonds on board against what appears to be a passive player?
... on Jewish New Year in the rain? A bare fortnight after the dreaded flush plague of Old London Town? With the dealer's strike in its 15th week and the Dorset 4-flush Fetishist's Fair tomorrow?
 
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... on Jewish New Year in the rain? A bare fortnight after the dreaded flush plague of Old London Town? With the dealer's strike in its 15th week and the Dorset 4-flush Fetishist's Fair tomorrow?
Wish I'd had all this extra info when I posted originally!
 
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Why's i = lol? It's the easiest of things to do, out play the fish..much easier than out playing a decent player. Not sure why thats funny? lol.

You do realise, it's the fish you want to be in a pot with and out playing?..not the decent players..this goes for 3betting hands you're ahead..not turning into a passive c/c player.

Whats fancy about 3betting a hand that you're ahead of btw? I mean, that's normal...right?..You bet ranges which have the other player beat...

Don't think you quite understand what was said though. Out play the fish as in, 3bet A,9os and be ahead of his limp/calling range and out play him on the flop/turn/river..doesn't mean you have to try and bluff him off any piece of the board he hits..just means outplaying him and letting him pay you off most times which is highly probable if he's a limp/calling fishy sort of player.

We might have different definitions of out play. You bet your hands better than weak players, and you make better folds. That's not out playing. ISOing fish when you have position and c-bets, and value bets isn't out playing.

I know you don't know me, but I've made over 100 poker videos and written a few books (among a few other things), so I'm fairly familiar with how to play against fish, as well as some of the best players in the world. :)
 
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