$10 NLHE 6-max: flop flush and straght draw

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Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3
Hero (SB): $13.87
BB: $10.00
UTG: $17.38
MP: $11.18
CO: $6.80
BTN: $10.74
Hero posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10
Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 9 8
UTG calls $0.10, fold, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks
Flop: ($0.30, 3 players) 3 7 6
Hero bets $0.20, BB raises to $0.90, fold, Hero calls $0.70
Turn: ($2.10, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, BB bets $1.50, Hero raises to $6.60, BB raises to $9.00 and all in, Hero???
 
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too much money in too fold right? how bout play rest of hand/
 
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Raie pre. 3-bet or shove the flop.
 
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We are never folding to the turn 3 bet. On the flop a 3 bet would be good in this situation as our hand has a lot of equity on this flop. If the turn bricks our equity drops a lot but we will only have about a pot sized bet left by then and can shove any turn as we are committed by then.
 
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Question about possibly 3 betting pre, with a hand like 89suited, don't you want to see the flop as cheaply as possible and with any many in the pot as possible?
 
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Question about possibly 3 betting pre, with a hand like 89suited, don't you want to see the flop as cheaply as possible and with any many in the pot as possible?

There was no raise pre-flop. I did say he should raise though.
 
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I could have shoved flop I guess. I called turn and he showed QJ of diamonds and won.
 
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Only reason I didn't raise pre was cuz utg limped and it seemed everytime I raise there today utg pops it with AA but I def could of raised and maybe should tho I didn't mind seeing flop with all 3 of us in with my hand.
 
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I'm a full ring nit but do we really want to be playing suited connectors oop? I guess against a limper we can think about raising it but if it we raised in front of us you're folding this right?

Just trying to get some info on 6 max ranges really
 
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I'm a full ring nit but do we really want to be playing suited connectors oop? I guess against a limper we can think about raising it but if it we raised in front of us you're folding this right?

Just trying to get some info on 6 max ranges really

This should definitely be a fold pf if it were raised in front of us. With limpers though I don't really mind completing either, but I'm a FR nit as well. Actually when I played 6-max I remember rarely limping, so this is probably either a raise or a fold, with me leaning towards a fold if UTG or the BB isn't fishy.
 
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I'm a full ring nit but do we really want to be playing suited connectors oop? I guess against a limper we can think about raising it but if it we raised in front of us you're folding this right?

Just trying to get some info on 6 max ranges really

Ah I misread the hand a bit, thought it was BvB. But regardless, if UTG is passive I would raise, limping UTG is very weak (and a sign of being passive). You lose positional advantage but you have a decent implied odds hand. It depends on how UTG plays post flop though, you do need some FE to take down dry flops etc. but if he plays mostly fit or fold it's a raise I think
 
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Does not compute.

You suggested that he shd raise pre.

I am asking doesn't he want to see a flop as cheaply as possible and with as many players as possible given his holding?

What is the benefit to 3 betting with 89 suited.
 
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You suggested that he shd raise pre.

I am asking doesn't he want to see a flop as cheaply as possible and with as many players as possible given his holding?

What is the benefit to 3 betting with 89 suited.

I don't know where you are getting the 3 betting theory from. There was no raise before us, therefore we cannot 3 bet...

There was an opportunity for us to 3 bet on the flop and we were facing a 3 bet on the turn, maybe you are misreading the HH?

There could be a case for limping pre, depending on how fishy the table is. However you generally won't be getting as much implied odds as we will be oop for the hand and it will be much harder to get stacks in. If we were on the button we should be raising this as we will be in position with a hand that has good implied odds and even some showdown value when we hit top or middle pair.
 
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