$10 NLHE 6-max: Facing a check raise on turn SFD

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Just go cheaper with a call???

partypoker - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4: http://www.pokertracker.com

BTN: 108.5 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 4)
SB: 100 BB (VPIP: 24.60, PFR: 20.12, 3Bet Preflop: 8.09, Hands: 1,662)
BB: 99 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 25.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 4)
UTG: 47 BB (VPIP: 22.04, PFR: 16.01, 3Bet Preflop: 4.12, Hands: 445)
Hero (MP): 162.8 BB
CO: 100.8 BB (VPIP: 4.26, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 47)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 9h 7h
fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, fold, BB calls 2 BB

Flop : (6.5 BB, 2 players) 2s 9c 6h
BB checks, Hero bets 3.5 BB, BB calls 3.5 BB

Turn : (13.5 BB, 2 players) 8h
BB checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BB raises to 29 BB, ????
 
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I for me its a call hero doesn't need to play for stackers here with a draw and one pair
 
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Not entirely sure I like the open with 97 from early here. I'd be more inclined to open hands like 910s to balance my range.

With the draws you have on the turn its a call. If they have a set or two pair you still have 30%+ and if they have 107 you have about 20%. The only hand they could be semi bluffing with is 78.

They could have floated a hand like ATh or AJh but OOP that largely depends on your table image.

On a side note. Why did you bet the turn?
 
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I've no prob with opening this. But many will argue.

Bet on the turn is due to me wanting to play a big pot. Too much equity not to in my mind. Plus even if I miss & barrel thrice all the TP's, 2nd pairs will likely fold. But if I check & they trap check river a bet would be pointless
 
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I've no prob with opening this. But many will argue.

I won't be arguing that you can't do that, but that would mean your MP opening range is around 25%, that would make you run about VPIP 31/PFR 26 or even wider.
 
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I won't be arguing that you can't do that, but that would mean your MP opening range is around 25%, that would make you run about VPIP 31/PFR 26 or even wider.

I run 21/18 at 5NL these days.
Not sure about today's 10NL session. Should be something similar
 
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What would you have done to a pre-flop 3Bet?

I think you should call you have very good draws. You have about 17 outs if you're against a better hand.
 
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I've no prob with opening this. But many will argue.

Bet on the turn is due to me wanting to play a big pot. Too much equity not to in my mind. Plus even if I miss & barrel thrice all the TP's, 2nd pairs will likely fold. But if I check & they trap check river a bet would be pointless

There is a lot wrong with that way of thinking IMO.


Your looking to play a big pot with an ok flush draw and a straight draw that could just be chopping if it hits ( at best ). Although your draw looks big your really only looking for a non board pairing diamond on the river, literally anything else and you have no idea where you are.


If you are always 3 barrelling then decent regs will catch on to that and it'll become profitable to start calling you down, floating and check raising.


If you had a hand like JQd or AKd then the triple barrel makes more sense, because if you miss on the river you have no showdown value, and if you do hit you have the potential nuts.


By betting the turn the only hand you get value from is 87, the rest of the hands that would call have you pretty bad shape. And when you get check raised big it puts you in an awkward spot.
 
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Do you think flop bet is standard? If so, could you please explain a bit why too.

Flop bets fine. A 9 is quite a vulnerable top pair, so you don't want to give free cards. Plus in this case you would get value on the flop from A6, 67, 86, T7 maybe even a small pocket pair like 33 44 etc.
 
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Flop bets fine. A 9 is quite a vulnerable top pair, so you don't want to give free cards. Plus in this case you would get value on the flop from A6, 67, 86, T7 maybe even a small pocket pair like 33 44 etc.


Would you say then that usually CB with weak TP is considered correct on the flop, because given how weak it is on later street the value part of the bet is shrinking? Usually medium top pair is check, correct?

In general it goes like this (maybe, this is part of the question): Medium high top pair: check-bet-bet; Weak high top pair: bet-check-something.
 
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Not entirely sure I like the open with 97 from early here. I'd be more inclined to open hands like 910s to balance my range.
opening with this hand from such an early position is fine as long as you have some knowledge about your opponents, how they play postflop for example. It is 6max, so opening ranges are wider, maybe not from UTG-MP but they still are.
That being said, I think that calling ranges are not that wide, pocket pairs should mostly look for a 3bet as well as AQ+, especially from SB and BB positions if folded before them, while smaller connectors or one gappers mostly fold. I'd say that within call range from the BB should be something like 78s, 89s, 9Ts, maybe 79s, 8Ts, sometimes JTo or QJo but not often.
From that perspective when you hold 97s and hit a TP on the flop, raise on the flop is fine considering you have a few blockers and want to make opponents pay if they are drawing.
Now for the turn, it doesn't make sense for villain to re-raise with completed straight, so my best guess is that opponent has 86 (maybe 98). Still, with straight flush draw, I would probably shove it hoping villain would fold 2pair, especially since, if you call, villain is shoving pretty much any card on the river.

also, if you already said that you made the bet on the flop to make the pot bigger, your wish came true on the turn, so no point in just calling now to make it cheaper. Next time, think in advance, what will you do if you get re-raised on the turn, and determine, if betting both flop and the turn is good or not.
 
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Yeah, I like how the question marks are put on the easiest decision in the hand (turn is an obvious call).

Fold pre, bet the flop. The turn should probably be a check. Having equity is not a good reason to play a big pot. KK has tons of equity on an A98 flop.

You could bet the turn as a semi-bluff and to protect your vulnerable top pair. Something small that might induce a check/raise.
 
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Pre: I like it. I’m opening too

Flop: perfect


Turn: the bet is good. The check raise is concerning but we have too much equity to fold. We have TP and an open ended straight flush draw. With the pot odds were being laid we need 28% to continue. That’s without considering implied odds.


Worst case scenario if he has only sets and nothing else we’re 32%. But in reality he have other hands besides sets. He’ll have some flush draws which were beating and some overpairs and 2 pairs which we’re doing even better against.


I just call turn and reassess on river. Gonna have to give up sometimes but never if I bink my straight. If we raise turn we force him to have sets to play for stacks with which isn’t a good outcome
 
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