$10 NLHE 6-max: Could you have avoided this?

$10 NL HE 6-max: Could you have avoided this?

pokerstars Game #43029626570: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2010/04/22 17:15:12 CET [2010/04/22 11:15:12 ET]
Table 'Namaqua IV' 6-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: askksa ($13.95 in chips)
Seat 2: Natrlaw ($11.55 in chips)
Seat 3: scibucks ($4.80 in chips)
Seat 4: zbergt ($10.05 in chips)
Seat 5: Grndr101 ($10.35 in chips)
Seat 6: BIRUTINI ($10.75 in chips)
zbergt: posts small blind $0.05
Grndr101: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Grndr101 [Qs 9d]
BIRUTINI: folds
askksa: raises $0.30 to $0.40
Natrlaw: folds
scibucks: folds
zbergt: folds
Grndr101: calls $0.30
*** FLOP *** [Th 9c 9s]
Grndr101: checks
askksa: checks
*** TURN *** [Th 9c 9s] [6c]
Grndr101: bets $0.60
askksa: calls $0.60
*** RIVER *** [Th 9c 9s 6c] [3h]
Grndr101: bets $1.20
askksa: raises $11.75 to $12.95 and is all-in
Grndr101: calls $8.15 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($3.60) returned to askksa
*** SHOW DOWN ***
askksa: shows [Td Ts] (a full house, Tens full of Nines)
Grndr101: shows [Qs 9d] (three of a kind, Nines)
askksa collected $19.75 from pot

The player was kind of TAG, and pretty agressive postflop. In my head he had a big pair. Is this really a big leak or just an unavoidable situation. I played about 30-50 hands at that table before the hand happened.

Fold preflop. Q9o really sucks out of position against a non-shitty player.

After you get to the flop, just go broke.

There was no way you were getting away from that postflop. but you should have folded preflop.

Well I'm not unhappy with my preflop decision. I'm going to be flipping with a lot of hands like AJ, AK, AT, MP's, small pairs, suited aces.
I don't like to play nitty poker. Granted it was a borderline preflop play, but I trust my postflop play enough that I can get away from second pair, top pair, and even two pair if the board is dangerous.
Is it really that bad of a play to make preflop? I mean surely I'm getting right pot odds vs most hands. And from a blind defense standpoint I think it's a good play too.

Early position raise from a decent player. If it was suited I would call on the button maybe. How is folding q9 from bb a nit play. But an easy fold on the preflop

If you don't like to play nitty poker then you should be raising in position with your Q9 hands, not calling OOP with them.

Grinder101 said:

Is it really that bad of a play to make preflop?

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There's nitty and then there's spew. This is the second one.

Grinder101 said:

Well I'm not unhappy with my preflop decision. I'm going to be flipping with a lot of hands like AJ, AK, AT, MP's, small pairs, suited aces.
I don't like to play nitty poker. Granted it was a borderline preflop play, but I trust my postflop play enough that I can get away from second pair, top pair, and even two pair if the board is dangerous.
Is it really that bad of a play to make preflop? I mean surely I'm getting right pot odds vs most hands. And from a blind defense standpoint I think it's a good play too.

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Others have already stated it, but to add one more thing: pot odds are almost completely uninteresting preflop in no-limit hold'em unless you're playing with a 10bb stack or so.

Besides that "not playing nitty poker" means playing a wide range in position, not out of it, there's also a very strong case to be made for playing nitty poker while you're learning the ropes. Here's an earnest piece of advice for you: Don't experiment with a loose/aggressive style until you're a good player. And you're not there yet. I mean that in the nicest way possible.

Did you have a plan when you made this call? (my assumption is no, you did not)

Not trying to be a jerk, but really, honestly, did you have a plan for this hand when you made that call outside of "I had pot odds and if he happens to be raising with some of the hands I hope he's raising with I'm a coinflip."

Think about that for a minute. Do you really want to plan your play around hoping that you will be a coinflip under the best scenario?

The thing you need to realize is that why certain hands are considered playable in certain positions, until then stick to a hand chart.

Say you hit middle pair with this hand, how many street you calling? 1? 2?

Do you donk into this guy if your 9 pairs up or do you check?

Does that make any sense? Try to play a game where you make the decisions you have to make as easy as possible. Out of position with a marginal hand sets you up for tough decision on later streets.

Q9 is definitely not a coinflip with hands like ATs+, ATo+, and pps 44-TT.