$10 NLHE 6-max: Correc use of no CB with draw?

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Hey,
I don’t know how to start thinking this. Question: Does hero CB here mostly or not?

Villain with note called CB with Ahigh.


PokerStars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: 103.7 BB
SB: 171.7 BB (VPIP: 12.50, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 8)
BB: 96 BB (VPIP: 21.05, PFR: 5.26, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 19)
UTG: 183.8 BB (VPIP: 21.28, PFR: 17.02, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 48)
MP: 100 BB
Hero (CO): 125.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q T

fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, fold, SB calls 2.5 BB, fold

Flop: (7 BB, 2 players) 9 J A
SB checks, Hero checks
 
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We have position, a hand with little to no showdown value and 6 outs to the nutters. Oh and range advantage, let's cbet here. Him calling a cbet with A high is usually pretty standard and if anything means he has hands he is folding to a double barrel. Save checking draws when you have some showdown value(A high, weak pairs) and when the board smashes villains calling range (10d9d6h)
 
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IMO is a clear C-Bet here, becuase we have nothing at the moment only the iniciative of the hand, so we can win the hand rigth now betting, but in the case of the villain pays and we complete our draw we will obtain more value of the hand.
 
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If im in doubt then I err on the side of cbetting it's rarely that wrong and keeps you suitably aggressive.
The best boards to cbet are the ones that hit the raisers range and you have equity when called. Here you have both a board thst hits your range and equity via your oesd and you will fold out a ton of small pairs here that beat you if you just check it down and whiff. And was mentioned if he does have an ace and we hit our draw we stand to win adecent pot.
 
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Save checking draws when you have some showdown value(A high, weak pairs) and when the board smashes villains calling range (10d9d6h)
And when you have a dominating draw (You don't want your opponent to fold worse ones).

Classic example would be AK on a JT4 flop. You want K9, 98 to draw with you, and a cbet is unlikely to get many folds because the flop is so wet.
 
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The best boards to cbet are the ones that hit the raisers range and you have equity when called.

Is this written correctly? I assume it do not apply OOP? Would completely change my CB thinking if this is how hero needs to think.
 
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Yes its written correctly, your position doesn't matter.
If you were the original raiser there is an assumption made that you will be opening a lot of big ace hands. (Openers perceived range) Therefore if the flop arrives with an ace on board you can easily cbet representing you have made at least top pair. The fact that you might have opened raised with 33 for example is irrelevant.
The callers perceived range is narrower and rightly so. But if pot is already opened and villain has say AK in the SB he's usually going to raise preflop and then he would be able to represent hitting the flop when an ace falls.
The callers range is made more of 22-TT and suited connectors and suited aces and in reality callers hands are often to be found in this range.

Buddy it is really important that you understand this concept. Go and look it up properly if you don't.

It's the reason why you get fewer folds to your cbet when you have AK and the flop comes 89T as it smashes the callers perceived range and why you wouldn't usually cbet AK there. Now of course if you have say JT on an 89T flop you can still safely cbet as you have good equity when called with your pair/draw combo.
 
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I just ignore everything Figaroo writes. Its the worst combination: long and wrong.
 
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Oh now when you eplained it Fig I get it. For some reason I didn't understand you just combined two rules as a one =) They are better one at the time imo.
 
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I just ignore everything Figaroo writes. Its the worst combination: long and wrong.

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What is wrong then...explain please...your comment isn't helpful per se.
I often don't agree with you but I don't critise your opinions. I just give mine and let the original poster decide what advise he wants to take. If you think I'm wrong then you should politely point out why.
I accept my explanations are sometimes long but they're usually tailored to the level of play of the original poster. A lot of advice is given around here with no explanation as to why, yourself included.
 
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