$10 NLHE 6-max: Cbet with AK, TPTK on the turn

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Villian Stats (VPIP/PFR/AF): 20/17/3

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

MP: $29.08
CO: $10.18
BTN: $15.05
SB: $6.88
Hero (BB): $10.00
UTG: $13.29

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has A:club: K:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, BTN raises to $0.35, fold, Hero raises to $1.00, BTN calls $0.65

Flop: ($2.05, 2 players) 9:spade: T:diamond: 6:heart:
Hero bets $1.30, BTN calls $1.30

Turn: ($4.65, 2 players) K:club:
Hero checks, BTN bets $3.99, Hero raises to $7.70 and is all-in, BTN calls $3.71

River: ($20.05, 2 players) 7:diamond:

Only 29 hands on villain.

Should I bet the turn? And is jamming correct?
 
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villains F3B stat?

i think this is okay, but its not my favourite. i dont love ch/r'ing the turn. definitely prefer leading it like $2.90 and folding to a raise
 
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villains F3B stat?

i think this is okay, but its not my favourite. i dont love ch/r'ing the turn. definitely prefer leading it like $2.90 and folding to a raise

F3B was 50% from 2 samples. So not really useful.

Yeah thats why I posted, really wasnt sure about not leading after I'd done it.
 
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ugh yeah fair enough.

if you know he floats flops IP in 3b pots a lot then i love it. seeing as his stats look decent, im leading this turn to value TP/QQ/JJ/KQ/KJ which i think are all legit hands he can have here and they make up the bulk of his range by the turn. river should then go check check (you can pretty safely fold if you check and he bets it, and im not willing to go for 3 streets value onthat board vs a decent straightforwardy looking unknown)
 
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Yep I think that is probably better. My idea was that once the king fell I was never going to stack QQ/JJ or 10x. So I checked to get one street of value on the river or induce a bluff. But I think in the long run (including avoiding losing my stack sometimes) your way would get way better value.
 
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not having info on villains sucks when youre trying to value them lol. but yeah i think my way should be default for decentish looking unknowns
 
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Yeah ano, anyway thanks for the heads up on one of the other threads about moving to 6 max. Such a difference, far far fewer nits (although people still only get it in with QQ+ pre). This guy showed up with K9o, even more sick when you have them dominated.
 
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so now ive converted you and ducky to 6max.

good times for the fellas
 
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I'd just give up on that flop most of the time. As played though I like the turn play. If I did bet turn it would not be with the intention on folding to a shove though. We kinda have a good hand :)
 
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so now ive converted you and ducky to 6max.

good times for the fellas

You didnt convert me at all, dont flatter yourself :)

And bet the turn and fold to a raise like JC said, i think you are more likely to fold out QQ, JJ etc by check raising the turn, rather than bet bet, when they think you may be barreling a scare card.
 
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I'd just give up on that flop most of the time. As played though I like the turn play. If I did bet turn it would not be with the intention on folding to a shove though. We kinda have a good hand :)

We definitely fold if we get raised after double barreling at 10nl
 
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Ok let me ask something about this hand than, even though I read the outcome of the hand....

$1+$1+$.05= $2.05, (come flop time correct)? Is it me or is this flop not wet? Now , since I see the flop as being wet, why would you Cbet another $1.35? What was there fold to Cbet%? Now there's $1.35+$1.35+$2.05=$4.75 (come turn time), and I personally like JCs road as stated would have lead turn also, but not really high up there either once again a small turn bet could save you in the long run...I'd lead turn but for about $2.70-$3 max...Cuz that turn hits anything and everything to be honest...

Looking at it from another perspective, you know what they raise with so 3bet larger vs players like this in the future...Just don't Cbet flops because you 3bet pre (against certain players that works well, but they are those like 50/2 or 64/8 and such, but vs players that raise preflop with K9o call 3bets in position I just more likely give up on flops such as that
 
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Ok let me ask something about this hand than, even though I read the outcome of the hand....

$1+$1+$.05= $2.05, (come flop time correct)? Is it me or is this flop not wet? Now , since I see the flop as being wet, why would you Cbet another $1.35? What was there fold to Cbet%? Now there's $1.35+$1.35+$2.05=$4.75 (come turn time), and I personally like JCs road as stated would have lead turn also, but not really high up there either once again a small turn bet could save you in the long run...I'd lead turn but for about $2.70-$3 max...Cuz that turn hits anything and everything to be honest...

Looking at it from another perspective, you know what they raise with so 3bet larger vs players like this in the future...Just don't Cbet flops because you 3bet pre (against certain players that works well, but they are those like 50/2 or 64/8 and such, but vs players that raise preflop with K9o call 3bets in position I just more likely give up on flops such as that

Nothing wrong with opening K9 on the button here.

Im definitely c betting here. His range includes hands like AJ, KQ etc that I dont want to give the initiative to, besides I can spike the turn. That board does not hit an average 3 bet calling range that well.

I dont understand what you mean when you say I know what they raise with. I dont .. I only have 29 hands on the villain, also if hes raising light a 3x 3Bet will have more chance of being called, which is exactly what I want.

With so few hands, the fold to 3 bet stat is not reliable.
 
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Nothing wrong with opening K9 on the button here.

Im definitely c betting here. His range includes hands like AJ, KQ etc that I dont want to give the initiative to, besides I can spike the turn. That board does not hit an average 3 bet calling range that well.

I dont understand what you mean when you say I know what they raise with. I dont .. I only have 29 hands on the villain, also if hes raising light a 3x 3Bet will have more chance of being called, which is exactly what I want.

With so few hands, the fold to 3 bet stat is not reliable.


I meant that comment for a future reference to "keep a note about how they had played that hand"
 
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Nothing wrong with opening K9 on the button here.

Im definitely c betting here. That board does not hit an average 3 bet calling range that well.

Where are you pulling this fact that this board does not hit an average 3 bet calling range that well? Cause you're wrong!
 
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Btn v BB,, hes going to be flatting my 3 bet with a lot of broadway cards, my only worry is 9s, 10s and 10x.
 
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Btn v BB,, hes going to be flatting my 3 bet with a lot of broadway cards, my only worry is 9s, 10s and 10x.

Thats right and he has a shit ton of overs and gutshots that arent folding alongside those middle PP's that are also gutshots, seriously if you include all these gutshots and things like KQ that are overcards, gutshots and have bdfd possibilities, which is very reasonable as noone is going to fold them, you get < 25% folds, it just smashes him
 
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Thats right and he has a shit ton of overs and gutshots that arent folding alongside those middle PP's that are also gutshots, seriously if you include all these gutshots and things like KQ that are overcards, gutshots and have bdfd possibilities, which is very reasonable as noone is going to fold them, you get < 25% folds, it just smashes him

75% of the hands you just mentioned have missed the board and are floating the flop with draws/overcards. Are you saying we c/f this flop cos im not c/c it.
 
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jokes that you said I give bad advice in another thread when you play like this haha

I may not be the best but you calling people bad when you play worse is lol
 
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75% of the hands you just mentioned have missed the board and are floating the flop with draws/overcards. Are you saying we c/f this flop cos im not c/c it.

Well all im saying is that he has a hand he wants to continue with atleast 75% of the time here anjd that the flop smashes his range which you didnt seem to realise (and might still not). Also a lot of turn cards are gonna really suck to barrel.
 
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I'm still cbettig this flop every day even though i Agree that vil is all ober this board. Too many people at these levels play so lolbad fit or fold.

Not like he realises that heros range here is polarized as overpair or air...
 
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Well all im saying is that he has a hand he wants to continue with atleast 75% of the time here anjd that the flop smashes his range which you didnt seem to realise (and might still not). Also a lot of turn cards are gonna really suck to barrel.

I understand he often flops hands with equity, but Im still ahead of a lot of these. You cant count flopping a gutshot or having overs as hitting the flop. If his calling 3 bet range is 77-JJ, QJ+, K10+ etc etc then a lot of his hands have wiffed that flop.
 
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jokes that you said I give bad advice in another thread when you play like this haha

I may not be the best but you calling people bad when you play worse is lol

I dont remember calling anybody in this forum 'bad'. I may have disagreed with their opinion but I cant imagine I would have said you gave bad advice. I have never claimed to be a great player, hence why I am uploading hands, I give my opinions and am corrected quite a lot. I acknowledge when I am wrong and present my reasoning when I believe Im not.

Edit: Just looked through the last couple of weeks of posts to try and find this incident but couldnt find it. Maybe you have the wrong person.
 
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I understand he often flops hands with equity, but Im still ahead of a lot of these. You cant count flopping a gutshot or having overs as hitting the flop. If his calling 3 bet range is 77-JJ, QJ+, K10+ etc etc then a lot of his hands have wiffed that flop.

You should count these hands as hitting the flop because your whole plan for the hand revolves around your equity, how easy you can realise this equity, how often you have fold equity, how the hand will play out on turn cards etc... Not a lot of good stuff is going for you here when he hits this flop 75% or in your terms - hits it like 55% but has gutshots that are never folding to a flop bet another 20%, so you're gonna bet flop a ton and then what cards are you continuing on? what cards are you giving up on? How often are you going to get bluffed and have to x/f at some point?
 
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