$10 NLHE 6-max: Call the River Shove??

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AS they had aggro stats, admittedly not loads of hands I checked as the board was abit scary and also to induce a bet although not the shove ;)
If they were a NIT prob easy fold

Also not sure how else to have played it, maybe triple barrelled??

poker stars, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Hero (SB): $10 (100 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $10.40 (104 bb)
MP: $10 (100 bb)
CO: $10.62 (106.2 bb)
BTN: $9.20 (92 bb)32/20 AG30% 3B 25.0

Preflop: Hero is SB with A
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A
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3 folds, BTN raises to $0.22, Hero raises to $0.80, BB folds, BTN calls $0.58

Flop: ($1.70) 4
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A
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9
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Hero bets $0.81, BTN calls $0.81

Turn: ($3.32) 5
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(2 players)
Hero bets $1.58, BTN calls $1.58

River: ($6.48) 6
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Hero checks, BTN bets $6.01 and is all-in, Hero ????????
 

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Bet more OTF and more OTT so your river shove isn't such a large bet and because we're getting called by draws.

I feel like check/call on the river is better. The only hands we possibly get to call that we beat are Ax (obv case A) and some strangely played sets. Check/calling lets them bluff.

Anyway, I'm calling the river most of the time.
 
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What possible bluffs does villain have on the river? Checking river just lets him check back all hands we beat but what is really calling a river shove? Hard for him to have anything but sets/flushes on this river. So he has 44/99 for sets but I think they would have raised at some point so we can discount those and I think villain has almost nothing but flushes on this river. I really think we can x/fold river for this sizing and lets say we had 99 when we made it to the river I like jamming river since villain will have a much larger/stronger bluff catching range with top pair hands and oddly played sets.

FWIW I'd lean torwards calling if villain bet 1/2 pot.
 
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Check call both turn and river. On the turn, we have the deck crushed, and villain will float us blind vs button a decent amount.

On the river as played, Villain is repping the nuts with an SPR of 5. For that price I'm curious. This guy is clearly willing to make moves on you. But since we bet the turn, he does have less bluffs in his range. Checking the turn would have made this more of a call.

Villain's bluff range as played is hands with a large club (Kc, Qc, Jc9x, ect).
 
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I c-bet bigger. Around 1$. The rest I play the same, and I'm calling this river.

Lots of smaller sets and two-pair in his range other than flushes.
 
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thanks guys. I did end up calling as I thought he was aggressive and at the time thought he had more bluffs than Nut Hands.

He did have KcQc
 
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thanks guys. I did end up calling as I thought he was aggressive and at the time thought he had more bluffs than Nut Hands.

He did have KcQc

List all the bluffs that villain makes it to river with. It's hardly any. You have to hope villain is over valuing a hand that isn't a flush on this river which is unlikely but possible
 
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There's practically no way villain doesn't have a flush here. His flop calling range is primarily nuttish flush draws since you have almost all of the aces and the preflop betting was pretty high. You're just hoping the board pairs by the river In this situation. Super aggro players use their image in situations like this to get ridiculous bets called. If you think about it though, since you raised and lead out on an ace high and a flush is on board, there's really only one hand he can have if he's not afraid of putting all the money in when you're repping so much strength.

Edit: Also, notice how he just called your turn bet instead of trying to bluff as soon as the flush came? When aggressive players get uncharacteristically passive, you should start considering that they might have a strong hand. I think if you think about it from his perspective for a while, you'll realize the amount of times this massive river bet is a value bet and not a bluff is very close to 80 or 90% even though he's normally a crazy player. I don't think he imagined for a second you were going to fold after betting like you did and that's WHY he made that bet.
 
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I'd bet a little more on the flop/turn. But as played, it's much higher EV to bet the river than c/c. bet > c/f > c/c.

Honestly it's close since you'd expect most sets in this spot, which are mainly 44/99 and a discounted 55 would bet slightly less on the river and not jam. His line looks like a made flush a huge % of the time hoping you have a big Ace, 2pair+. But you should still be betting the river if you are betting, and c/fing if you're checking (unless he bets smaller).
 
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I agree about betting the river is best. Are we just jamming?
 
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