$10 NLHE 6-max: Bovada - Full house on river

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Just wanted to get some feedback on this hand. Mainly about how to get the most value on the river.
Felt like i played the hand a little goofy, but my read was that he was likely calling with a 9x hand or flush draw, so i ended up checking the turn when the 9 hits. Also pretty sure my flop bet is a bit too small.


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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
SB ($10.09)
BB ($9.39)
HERO ($14.29)
HJ ($17.03)
CO ($6.74)
BTN ($9.51)

Dealt to Hero K K

HERO Raises To $0.3 , HJ Calls $0.3 , CO Calls $0.3 , BTN Calls $0.3 , SB Folds , BB Folds

Flop ($1.2) 9 4 5
HERO Bets $0.77 , HJ Calls $0.77 , CO Folds , BTN Folds

Turn ($2.74) 9 4 5 9
HERO Checks , HJ Bets $0.5 , HERO Calls $0.5

River ($3.74) 9 4 5 9 K
HERO ????
 
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You could have bet more on the flop definitely. Especially if you're up against fish here but the bet sizing isn't bad. I'd probably bet the turn but maybe I'm biased as I know the K comes on the river.

As played, I am definitely betting the river here. About 2/3 or 3/4 pot would do it. If the villain here is a fish, bet more as if he does have trip 9s he is definitely calling if not raising the river. You can't check and risk him checking behind - you're definitely missing out there.
 
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Betting turn and betting big on river.
 
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To me if you bet big on the turn you would of got the most value on the river especially holding those cards with that hand IMO, CH72
 
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most value on river

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I think villain either has a 9 or a busted FD here.

I would bet about 1/2-2/3 pot and see if we can get a raise from villain.

If he missed his FD, he might think you are weak, and he may be able to get you to fold if he raises you, because of the line you took c/c the turn.

If he has a 9, he will almost certainly raise you. Then you jam on him, and probably get called.

That's my $0.02.
 
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Bet slightly bigger OTF. Bet turn 60-70% and fold to a raise, if he calls jam river.

As played try to find the best way to get the money in, I dunno anything about villain so use your judgement on whether to check/raise or just lead.
 
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I think villain either has a 9 or a busted FD here.

I would bet about 1/2-2/3 pot and see if we can get a raise from villain.

If he missed his FD, he might think you are weak, and he may be able to get you to fold if he raises you, because of the line you took c/c the turn.

If he has a 9, he will almost certainly raise you. Then you jam on him, and probably get called.

That's my $0.02.

Betting low to try to induce a raise here is a mistake imo at these stakes, villains like calling more than raising and if he has a 9 I would expect quite often he will just call unless he has a high 9. I would just bet big on the river, maybe overbet it or shove.
 
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I typically play .25/.50 and .50/1, so I don't know how people typically play at this level. I assume you typically see much looser play pre-flop? If that is the case, I don't like the 3x PF raise. Your leaving it relatively cheap for people to see a flop. With so many players left to act, I like a 4x or 5x raise. I want to isolate to one caller with a big PP. The more callers, the more likely you are to be beat in the hand unless you catch. Big PP against several callers is a quick way to get stacked.

Anyways, I agree that you probably should have pushed a lil harder on the flop, but in the end you got what you wanted - isolated to one player with a pretty good board.

Don't mind the turn check, but there is a case to be made for betting again. However, the check did induce a bet, which looks like a steal attempt IMO.

Given that, I would say a half pot bet is just about right on the river. Hes not calling any size bet if the turn was truly a steal attempt. If he had a small piece, or a hand like 88, half pot is small enough to induce a call. It prob isn't going to be enough for him to justify a push if he has the 9, but he will come over the top. Is he really going to fold if you 3 bet the river all-in? Prob not, so the money would get into the middle regardless.
 
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As played CRAI all in on river. Even though your stacks are redonkulously large your hand looks like busted draw after the c/c on the turn or over played AK often enough to get paid w/ a lot of 9's. You don't need a call a higher percentage of the time if you stack off here, plus you have to consider your opponent will have a boat X% of the time as well.
 
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Betting low to try to induce a raise here is a mistake imo at these stakes, villains like calling more than raising and if he has a 9 I would expect quite often he will just call unless he has a high 9. I would just bet big on the river, maybe overbet it or shove.

I would not have taken the line OP took anyways. And I think villain may have only had a FD anyways.

So considering the line OP took, that's what I would do. If villain has a 9, I think he would raise for sure. If not, he either folds, or raises because he thinks river bet looks weak.

It is just my opinion.
 
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I wouldn't bet the turn either, as hand goes I would go for 3$ on riv, call all in ofc.
 
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Check/raise sounds about right.

Bet the turn if the river is going to be a king. If the river is not going to be a king, checking the turn becomes an option.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

Villian ended up showing up with Q9cc. I bet $3 on the river, and he just called.

Wish i had thought it through a bit more, and played it a bit different, but i appreciate the advice, and hopefully will play it better the next time.
 
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Check/raise sounds about right.

Bet the turn if the river is going to be a king. If the river is not going to be a king, checking the turn becomes an option.

Lol how is he supposed to know river is going to be a king?
 
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Lol how is he supposed to know river is going to be a king?

Training and experience. If you don't have enough experience yet, play the odds instead. You have a ~4.5% chance of making kings full in this spot. If you're me however, you won't need to play the odds.
 
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Thanks for the feedback guys.

Villian ended up showing up with Q9cc. I bet $3 on the river, and he just called.

Wish i had thought it through a bit more, and played it a bit different, but i appreciate the advice, and hopefully will play it better the next time.

Yeah if his range is 9x and busted draws like what you put him on, then check/raise otr is your best option there imo.
 
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Yeah if his range is 9x and busted draws like what you put him on, then check/raise otr is your best option there imo.

Yes, I think this is the best line tbh, better than betting low to induce imo.
 
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Yes, I think this is the best line tbh, better than betting low to induce imo.

Of course now that we know what villain held. OP has given the results. However, I don't think there is ever one right way to play any situation. It just depends.

On the live tables where I play, betting low to induce a raise would work just fine. Very bad/ultra agressive/loose players often never ever know they are beat.

And furthermore- villain just flatted the river, so how do we know he would bet if hero checked? We don't. Villain may have checked behind, and you lose value. Not betting, with hopes of c/r on the river is silly IMO.

Get chips into the pot on the river for value.
 
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FWIW if I had Q9 here and Goathair took this line I would definitely be flatting river. Looks like Hero went into slowplay mode on the turn and donk-valued the river. Q9 just isn't worth a raise here.

I'm fairly sure the villain would go for a value bet OTR if hero checked. Best option is to check/shove IMO.
 
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FWIW if I had Q9 here and Goathair took this line I would definitely be flatting river. Looks like Hero went into slowplay mode on the turn and donk-valued the river. Q9 just isn't worth a raise here.

I'm fairly sure the villain would go for a value bet OTR if hero checked. Best option is to check/shove IMO.

Yes perhaps... But this response is based on knowing what villain held. This response is biased because you know villain had q-9. It is not necessarily the best play always.

In real time, there is a range only. Hero is not going to know what villain holds, for sure. It is never going to be bad to bet the river here with K-K. Donks will often raise with busted draws and 9x hands. If they fold, big deal.

Holding kings full I would hate to have villain check behind.
 
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I'd bet about $2.35 as a value bet on the river. I'd never check as we lose a lot of value from hands that would call us but would check given the option. Think about it.
 
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Of course now that we know what villain held. OP has given the results. However, I don't think there is ever one right way to play any situation. It just depends.

I suggested a c/r before OP posted results. I don't see what the results have to do with anything since conforming advice to what a player ends up showing is often going to be terrible advice.

On the live tables where I play, betting low to induce a raise would work just fine. Very bad/ultra agressive/loose players often never ever know they are beat.

The window lickers you play with in your live games aside, I don't think you should assume the player in question here is extremely bad and ultra aggressive with the information given - or rather, not given. If he is however then he's every bit as likely (probably more so) to bet the river than to raise you when you lead into him. Villain appears to be fishy since he bets 50 cents into ~$3 ott but other than that we don't have much to go on. I submit that in general a 10NL player is more likely to fire a bluff here when checked to than he is to bluff raise when facing a bet.

If he has a 9, he will almost certainly raise you.

And furthermore- villain just flatted the river, so how do we know he would bet if hero checked?

Most poker players aren't quite horrible enough to check behind with a 9x hand there lol. Sure, maybe this player here is a rare exception, but you need a reason which suggests that before you can peg him as such. What it comes down to here is plausibly justifying that a significant part of this player's range is going to raise you when facing a bet and yet at the same time check behind when checked to. I don't think you can rationally make that argument, but you're welcome to try.

Not betting, with hopes of c/r on the river is silly IMO.

Saying that a c/r here would be silly is pretty silly. What happened to you don't think there is ever one right way to play a situation or w/e? So you never c/r on the river ever? Or.....
 
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Check/raise sounds about right.

Bet the turn if the river is going to be a king. If the river is not going to be a king, checking the turn becomes an option.

I don't quite understand. There is a much lower probability that the river is a King than other cards, so do you mean that hero should check the turn?
 
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