$10 NLHE 6-max: Bovada - Facing a shove on the river.

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This hand, could be a snap fold. i saw villian showdown with 3 pretty random garbage hands, and he was a little bit aggro. So am just wondeirng how do you deal with guys like this, and putting them on hands?

i'm trying get better at hand ranges, and hand reading, and just trying to think it through for a second before making a decision. But just curious what would you would be thinking here as far a range? What would bet 1/2 pot on turn, and insta shove river?

Also think i probably should have bet turn. :(

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NL Holdem $0.1(BB)
SB ($2.9)
HERO ($10.11)
UTG ($20.94)
HJ ($37.41)
CO ($10.52)
BTN ($6.07)

Dealt to Hero 9 9

UTG Calls $0.1 , HJ Raises To $0.45 , CO Folds , BTN Folds , SB Calls $0.4 , HERO Calls $0.35 , UTG Calls $0.35

Flop ($1.65) A 2 8
SB Checks , HERO Checks , UTG Checks , HJ Checks

Turn ($1.65) A 2 8 7
SB Checks , HERO Checks , UTG Bets $0.9 , HJ Folds , SB Folds , HERO Calls $0.9

River ($3.45) A 2 8 7 5
HERO Checks , UTG Bets $19.59 (all-in), HERO ?????
 
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Honestly his range could be wider than you think here. He limped UTG, which means he has something, but it could be anything from a pp to Axs to suited connectors. I dont think his range shortens all that much after the raise given there were 3 other callers, hes pretty much priced in.

As you said, I would have bet the turn. As played, I think you have to fold the river. There is just too much that can beat you in his range. I would guess he had A5s or 55 based on how he played. Could be an all out bluff but I wouldnt pay that much to find out.
 
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I fold the turn.
I'm assuming villain is an unknown, but people generally don't bluff in to 4way pots.

If we were to bluff catch here I'd rather do it with Ax, villain can easily hold any Ax holding, sure there are ample draws but something like KQs has 15outs against us. We're a huge dog or mild favourite, not to mention we really can't take 2streets no matter what river comes.
 
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I am leaning towards 6-9, or two pair like 7-8 or A-7.

I don't think villain has a set. Either way, I think you are way behind here.

My $0.02

Edit: One other possibility I just considered is a semi-bluff with FD and overbet when villain missed. Seems silly jamming on the river. Regardless, too much for hero to call without a dead on read.
 
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Ordinarily i would just be snap folding, but i just saw the guy with a few garbage hands, and whether it was a timing thing, or something like that it just seemed fishy to me. It may not be the best move, but i ended up making the call. :eek:

But i was more interested in how you guys would evaluate a situation like this i guess, and am just trying to learn the thought process.
 
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It looks like ace rag to me. I think you are beat.
 
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Yup, I am seeing A5 or A7 has his hand. I think you might have done a little better to toss a small bet on the flop, as the villain might have put you on an A or perhaps middle pair, but still called. After that, he is less likely to shove generally because he has a higher opinion of your hand.

Now, if he was playing rags, like 75 suited (common crap hand), the failure to offer even up a token bet on the flop gives him a free card which hit his pair, and your check makes it pretty clear you aren't playing an ace. At that point, he is still actually behind you, and again a bet on the turn might have changed his opinion of your hand.

The all in makes it likely that he hit his second pair and feels pretty good, thinking you may have even had A-face and he has you nailed.
 
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SQUEEEEEEEEEEEZE PREEEEEEE
 
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For anyone that is curious what he showed up with. I made the call, maybe it wasn't the best play, but i went with my read.


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River ($3.45) A 2 8 7 5
HERO Checks , UTG Bets $19.59 (all-in), HERO Calls $8.76 (all-in)

UTG shows 2 4

HERO wins $20.07
 
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Reading this thread I kinda like Rawone's suggestion of betting the flop, especially considering your read of UTG as a fish who plays crap all the time; though given that the bet here would be to isolate. If too many people call, or a known nit calls, or anyone raises, I give it up.

It's almost certainly the inner lagtard in me, but I would have probably called the shove too. :p
 
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Goathair, I love the spoiler. It means that your read on what he was playing was right - but risky.
 
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Goathair, I love the spoiler. It means that your read on what he was playing was right - but risky.
I love making risky plays like that. I don't think it's profitable in the long run (since it's such a thin read), but it's SUCH A RUSH when you hero call their shove and it pays off.

Other day I actually got a chopped pot on a correct read that Villain was shoving with air -- I had AQs, he had AQo.
 
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Horrible call.

Clearly not if his read was correct. Also I agree with the above poster who said squeeze pre-flop.

I think if you have a read on a villain you can justify it by calling, It looks like he has the straight here, but when you post that hand here we can't say call the river because we don't have any reads on villain unlike you, apart from the fact that he showed down a few junk hands which isn't enough for making this (hero) call. Btw you have to be correct with your read so often here that you better be damn sure he's spazzing out or bluffing.
 
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Clearly not if his read was correct. Also I agree with the above poster who said squeeze pre-flop.
Honestly from what he said I don't think his read was solid enough to justify a hero call here. It paid off obviously, but it was still somewhat of a gamble.

I might have done the same in that spot, but I'm impulsive as all hell. :D
 
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