$10 NLHE 6-max: big loss vs 62/22 player

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I post a thread https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-games-11/some-vpip-over-50-more-dangerous-269970/ talking about these kind of player.
Here I post my big loss to reminder me to never be spew again.

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ks Jh
MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero raises to $0.40, SB folds, BB calls $0.30, MP calls $0.30
Flop: ($1.25) 5d 5c Kh (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets $0.59, BB folds, MP raises to $1.18, Hero calls $0.59
Turn: ($3.61) 5s (2 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $1.72, MP raises to $3.44, Hero raises to $14.31 and is all-in, MP calls $2.15 and is all-in
River: ($14.79) 6c (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $14.79 pot ($0.67 rake)
Final Board: 5d 5c Kh 5s 6c
MP showed 5h 6h and won $14.12 ($6.95 net)
Hero showed Ks Jh and lost (-$7.17 net)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Th As
MP folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BTN folds, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20
Flop: ($0.90) 6h Ts 4h (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets $0.57, SB folds, BB raises to $1.14, Hero calls $0.57
Turn: ($3.18) 9h (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $1.52, BB calls $1.52
River: ($6.22) Tc (2 players)
BB bets $5.94, Hero calls $5.94
Results: $18.10 pot ($0.81 rake)
Final Board: 6h Ts 4h 9h Tc
BB showed 4c 4s and won $17.29 ($8.39 net)
Hero mucked Th As and lost (-$8.90 net)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with Ah 7h
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.35, CO calls $0.35, Hero calls $0.35, 2 folds
Flop: ($1.20) 5s 7c As (3 players)
MP bets $0.57, CO raises to $1.82, Hero raises to $4.50, MP raises to $15.68 and is all-in, CO folds, Hero calls $8.90 and is all-in
Turn: ($29.82) 6d (2 players, 2 are all-in)
River: ($29.82) 9c (2 players, 2 are all-in)
Results: $29.82 pot ($1.34 rake)
Final Board: 5s 7c As 6d 9c
MP showed 3s 4s and won $28.48 ($14.73 net)
CO mucked and lost (-$2.17 net)
Hero showed Ah 7h and lost (-$13.75 net)


Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6h 6c
Hero raises to $0.30, 2 folds, BTN calls $0.30, SB raises to $1.30, BB folds, Hero raises to $2.70, BTN folds, SB raises to $4.30, Hero raises to $11.83 and is all-in, SB calls $7.53
Flop: ($24.06) Jh 4d 5c (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Turn: ($24.06) Td (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($24.06) 4s (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $24.06 pot ($1.08 rake)
Final Board: Jh 4d 5c Td 4s
SB showed Qd Qs and won $22.98 ($11.15 net)
Hero showed 6h 6c and lost (-$11.83 net)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Ah Ad
MP raises to $0.30, CO folds, BTN raises to $1.05, SB folds, Hero raises to $2.50, MP folds, BTN calls $1.45
Flop: ($5.35) 3d 2h 5h (2 players)
Hero bets $3.40, BTN raises to $6.80, Hero raises to $7.50 and is all-in, BTN calls $0.70
Turn: ($20.35) 4h (2 players, 1 is all-in)
River: ($20.35) 5d (2 players, 1 is all-in)
Results: $20.35 pot ($0.92 rake)
Final Board: 3d 2h 5h 4h 5d
Hero showed Ah Ad and lost (-$10 net)
BTN showed 2s 2c and won $19.43 ($9.43 net)
 
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As a general rule, if you ever get check-minraised in a microstakes game (10NL and below), they usually have a monster. So if they check, you bet 59c and they raise to $1.18, then you should be very concerned.
 
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Is this the same guy as before? What is the the WWSF, WTSD, W$SD for this (these?) players. You should be looking at his 3 bet range, WonSD when raising flop/turn/river. With all of that information, you could have possibly easily gotten away from at least 3 of these hands.
 
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WWSF 47 WTSD 29 W$SD 42
3bet 9%

Is this the same guy as before? What is the the WWSF, WTSD, W$SD for this (these?) players. You should be looking at his 3 bet range, WonSD when raising flop/turn/river. With all of that information, you could have possibly easily gotten away from at least 3 of these hands.
 
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His WTSD is not that high considering how many hands he is playing.

First hand, he minraised the flop. Unless he does that quite a bit, at the lower stakes that usually means a very good hand. With a paired board, again unless he does it often, he is going to have trips almost every time. Again, when he won SD when flop raised is what lets you know for almost certain if he does.

2nd hand. He flat calls to set mine. He check raises, notice it again is a minraise. With it being a check raise, and a minraise both, easy to instamuck the hand. He check calls the turn which is the worst card in the deck for him and you. Completes the flush draw and the straight draw. Once river boats him up and he leads the river with almost a pot (95.5%) sized bet. Look at that board, what are beating here that even a fish plays the hand like this? Nothing except a bluff, yet he minraised the flop...

3rd hand. This is pretty much a flip. If you only had one pair rather than 2 pr he would have had more equity than you. Top two, only thing your worried about is a set, or a hand like he had in this hand. Again, won SD when raised flop maybe, maybe can get you away. Doubt I ever fold here against him though. If 100% won sd when raised flop, but doubt it.

4th hand. Your way behind his 3bet range, even as loose as this guy is. Then he 5 bets you (your totally crushed now) and you 6 bet shove? 66 is not a all in pre hand against anyone for full stacks in ring, no one. Not worth it man, even if you have seen someone play for full stacks with 22-33, just fold it.

5th hand. He should had folded pre. Post flop, notice the pattern here? Minraised on the flop.
 
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Thanks very much for your reply. Miniraise pattern you pointed out is very helpful. When I read book, they always told me do not miniraise. So I always think I have odds and want to punish them. It seems like miniraise is useful to fishes.
Next time I will pay attention to that

His WTSD is not that high considering how many hands he is playing.

First hand, he minraised the flop. Unless he does that quite a bit, at the lower stakes that usually means a very good hand. With a paired board, again unless he does it often, he is going to have trips almost every time. Again, when he won SD when flop raised is what lets you know for almost certain if he does.

2nd hand. He flat calls to set mine. He check raises, notice it again is a minraise. With it being a check raise, and a minraise both, easy to instamuck the hand. He check calls the turn which is the worst card in the deck for him and you. Completes the flush draw and the straight draw. Once river boats him up and he leads the river with almost a pot (95.5%) sized bet. Look at that board, what are beating here that even a fish plays the hand like this? Nothing except a bluff, yet he minraised the flop...

3rd hand. This is pretty much a flip. If you only had one pair rather than 2 pr he would have had more equity than you. Top two, only thing your worried about is a set, or a hand like he had in this hand. Again, won SD when raised flop maybe, maybe can get you away. Doubt I ever fold here against him though. If 100% won sd when raised flop, but doubt it.

4th hand. Your way behind his 3bet range, even as loose as this guy is. Then he 5 bets you (your totally crushed now) and you 6 bet shove? 66 is not a all in pre hand against anyone for full stacks in ring, no one. Not worth it man, even if you have seen someone play for full stacks with 22-33, just fold it.

5th hand. He should had folded pre. Post flop, notice the pattern here? Minraised on the flop.
 
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I agree with Myar. Are all these hands in a single session? If it is, it is possible he might be on a heater. I've seen a fish playing 40-50 consecutive hands in a row and won every single hand at showdown. He went from 25BB to 500-600BB. He of course lost most of it when the heater ended.

I'm guessing you were steaming when you went all in with 66. His 3bet is 9%. Assuming it's a good sample size then it means he does have a light 3 bet now and then but I don't think it'll be so light that 66 are any good.
 
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Hand:1 I don't like betting with paired boards. Pot control and extract from weaker holdings.

Soon as we get resistance we have to handle with caution unless he's a bad bluffer.

I'm not folding the turn. I would call this everyday. *i'd like to hope I fold the flop*
 
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Hand 2: These types of hands generally we want to play small pots with. We got stuck on the river because didn't fold on the flop.

Turn we should've checked for pot control. but I still say fold on the flop unless you think he's an ultra aggressive idiot.
 
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hand 3: A7s ... I'm a fan to squeeze depending on our villains fold %...
Not much you can do with this hand. you got it in good.
 
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Hand 4: 66 ... hmmm wtf... fold to 3bet and if the table 3bets a lot I would fold pre.
 
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hand 5: AA... raise 4x the amount or 5x and jam flop... We lost big deal but bigger pre and bigger again the more people calling.
 
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