$10 NLHE 6-max: Bad shove ? Value or SD ?

R

razzor94

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 3, 2015
Total posts
344
Awards
1
Chips
1
IPoker, $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.

SB: $14.68 (146.8 bb)
BB: $10 (100 bb)
UTG: $23.85 (238.5 bb)
MP: $3.50 (35 bb)
CO: $15.68 (156.8 bb)
Hero (BTN): $12.47 (124.7 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BTN with T
diamond4.gif
A
diamond4.gif

UTG calls $0.10, MP calls $0.10, CO folds, Hero calls $0.10, SB completes, BB checks

Flop: ($0.50) T
club4.gif
8
club4.gif
A
club4.gif
(5 players)
SB bets $0.10, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.80, SB calls $0.70

Turn: ($2.10) 5
spade4.gif
(2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets $1.80, SB calls $1.80

River: ($5.70) 6
spade4.gif
(2 players)
SB bets $2.85, Hero raises to $9.77, SB calls $6.92

Results: $25.24 pot ($2.00 rake)
Final Board: T
club4.gif
8
club4.gif
A
club4.gif
5
spade4.gif
6
spade4.gif


The table is somewhat aggro-fishy and the table dynamics forced me to limp some of my middle to strong hands that have decent potential to hit the nuts untill the river, but are not so strong to face a 3bet or go multiway in a small SPR pot. I almost never limp behind and almost always try to isolate especially IP. That said maybe i should have done it this time as well.

The main reason that i limped is because I have seen MP limp, then there is a raise behind him, 1 or 2 callers and then he showed over the top.

SB is a P-Fish. I only have 17 hands on him so there is not much else to say about his game other than the stats tell me. 54/0/1.
From experience i expect him to stick around with a lot of second best and call down light.

I think the action to the river is pretty standard. When he calls that flop i expect him to stick around with any Ax, K or Q high flush, any 2 pair and some made flushes although i am not worried about that at all.

When he donks the river i am kind of worried as it is almost always a flush when they take this line but i figured he will show up with a lot of second best if i raise or am i wrong ? It looks like a blocker bet but i dont think he knows what that is or that he thinks that way. Against a competent opponent its almost always a call with this holding but in this case is calling the right decision ?
 
Keith_MM

Keith_MM

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 13, 2013
Total posts
1,334
Awards
1
Chips
3
raise pre, if MP limp shoves then fold to the shove.

flop - looks good

turn - when he continues on flop with him potentially having a flush or flush draw , i'm dropping down to 1/2 pot as don't want to give flush draws a free card but try and control the pot whilst still getting value from his hands that we beat.

river - when passive fish suddenly wakes up on the river , and with a flush possible i'm snap folding.
 
Aces2w1n

Aces2w1n

Legend
Silver Level
Joined
Jan 3, 2013
Total posts
5,781
Chips
0
Squeeze pre and bet 3/4 on flop and shove turn is my line

We raised flop and bet turn... he leads into us... this is a sign of strength and doesnt want to risk it being checked behind
 
B

braveslice

Pull-ups!
Silver Level
Joined
Dec 9, 2013
Total posts
1,988
Chips
0
I think the river raise is OMG =) I mean hero should be arguing between calling or folding and folding is the right thing to do, but so many times too difficult, sigh. Even against agro-fish this is quite close.

I don’t mind not 3betting given your observation him shoving light. In any case, both 3betting and calling are both valid plays.
 
froggeedogs

froggeedogs

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 16, 2017
Total posts
291
Chips
0
I am unable to view the suits of the cards, somehow blocked to me. However, no raises pre-flop. Minimum bet from sb on flop, seems like weak ace to me. Forced to flat call raise but no re-raise, continues just calling throughout. seems like the time to shove with top two pair. how did it turn out?
 
DougPkrMonsta

DougPkrMonsta

Visionary
Silver Level
Joined
Jul 7, 2016
Total posts
914
Awards
15
Chips
0
I don't think I would raise the river but I'm sure there are hands you are ahead of that might call. You are behind a decent chunk of hands here, but I don't think you can fold on the end either.

It is thin but if you have the bankroll to play that way go ahead and raise and make some notes about what they donk-led twice for next time.

Good luck to you! :D
 
R

razzor94

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 3, 2015
Total posts
344
Awards
1
Chips
1
Squeeze pre and bet 3/4 on flop and shove turn is my line

We raised flop and bet turn... he leads into us... this is a sign of strength and doesnt want to risk it being checked behind

I actually like the line with the turn shove.
 
R

razzor94

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 3, 2015
Total posts
344
Awards
1
Chips
1
I think the river raise is OMG =) I mean hero should be arguing between calling or folding and folding is the right thing to do, but so many times too difficult, sigh. Even against agro-fish this is quite close.

I don’t mind not 3betting given your observation him shoving light. In any case, both 3betting and calling are both valid plays.

Totally agree looking at it now. Note that i wouldnt even think for a second against any competent opponent to raise here. I did end up regretting it immediately.
 
R

razzor94

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Sep 3, 2015
Total posts
344
Awards
1
Chips
1
I am unable to view the suits of the cards, somehow blocked to me. However, no raises pre-flop. Minimum bet from sb on flop, seems like weak ace to me. Forced to flat call raise but no re-raise, continues just calling throughout. seems like the time to shove with top two pair. how did it turn out?

He had and 97 with the 9c(the flop was a 3 clubs, no clubs turn and river) and he got there on the river.
 
froggeedogs

froggeedogs

Rock Star
Silver Level
Joined
Mar 16, 2017
Total posts
291
Chips
0
well, that does change things............fold it is, once he bet on the river.....tough fold for sure tho
 
IPlay

IPlay

Bum hunts 25NL
Silver Level
Joined
Oct 7, 2013
Total posts
2,593
Chips
0
No way is river ever a fold, but it is also never a call either. This could be a fish over valuing a weaker two pair, making a blocker bet with Ax and we are just getting too good of a price to fold.

I do side with Aces that this would be a good spot to squeeze pre but calling is also fine since we can go multiway with a hand that can make the nuts
 
Top