$10 NLHE 6-max: $ : ATs squeeze, villain donks A high flop

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no stats on villian.

i think the squeeze pre is okay but i think just flatting is fine too. i dont think one is significantly greater than the other. but does the rest of the hand look good?

didnt want to jam the turn because i dont think we have fold equity with the SPR so the hand plays itself right?

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - Full Tilt Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

Button ($4.90)
SB ($10.44)
BB ($10.63)
UTG ($6.65)
Villain (MP) ($9.54)
Hero (CO) ($16.13)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 10
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, A
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UTG bets $0.20, Villain calls $0.20, Hero raises to $0.80, 4 folds, Villain calls $0.60

Flop: ($1.95) 8
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, A
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, 4
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(2 players)
Villain bets $0.80, Hero calls $0.80

Turn: ($3.55) 3
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(2 players)
Villain bets $3.55, Hero calls $3.55

River: ($10.65) 4
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(2 players)
Villain bets $4.39 (All-In), Hero ??
 
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I'd snap call, you've already come this far.
I like flatting preflop but rest of the hand is played fine IMO.
 
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Expect AK or AQ to take this line. In he is a thinking player, me thinks he puts you on AK and is trying to get you to fold a chop by triple barreling. What is your image?

Sets IMO will more likely wait for you to cbet OTT.

of course needless to say this is a call. He is not likely to lead at you with 33, AA would most definitely slow play if they had even decide to trap you preflop. Only realistic hands that has you beat is 88 3 comboes and 44 1 combo.

Snap call it

Turn is a fold I think
 
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No stats on either player so hard to comment on a pf squeeze. Flatting is fine though. River is a call. Turn is a call. Flop can be a call or a raise. I raise small flop donks too often not to do it in a spot like this with an actual hand, but calling works too if you're clueless as to villain's post flop play. Jamming turn doesn't do much here so I'd advise against it, especially after he goes full pot. You lose this hand more often than people might think but it's still a snap otr.
 
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standard response inbound..

river paired bottom flop card so less combos of sets OTF, AA is blocked 44 is blocked, 33 is ****ing lol if he has it here.

88 some of the time although imo he plays it different.

turn I dunno if I call when he pots it since we should never be ahead and he's got like $4 behind.

river is obv.
 
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Turn is a fold even with the equity we picked up. River is a call but expect to be beat quite often.
 
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quite often? might be a bit much, he does this with most Ax/A4/sets so combo wise we're ahead OTR?
 
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OMGITSOVER9K said:
quite often? might be a bit much, he does this with most Ax/A4/sets so combo wise we're ahead OTR?
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Doubtful that he'd donking small and leading full pot on the turn with less than 2 pair very often. So you beat A8 but lose to A4 an 88/44 of his true value hands. Occasionally he'll show up with something stupid on the river and with the price we're getting it doesn't really matter how often, it's a call. Like I said though I think calling the turn bet was a mistake. Not a huge fan of squeezing a suited Ace either but it's not horrible I guess.
 
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pre is meh, squeezings ok but if so bigger imo.

we're agreed on folding turn.. and fish are retarded he does this with like AJ and shit.
 
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I'm quite surprised by some of the comments on this hand. Calling the turn in position is a no brainer in my opinion.

Even if we give him a strong value range of ~only~ sets and 2p hands that are beating us (88, 44, A8, A4, A3... didn't add in AA or junky stuff like 43s), we still have about 30% equity. Let's keep in mind that 8 cards will give us the stone nuts and 4 more (3 Ts and the 4d) still make the best hand here 70%-75% of the time on average against the aforementioned range. Our pot odds on the turn are 2:1 so we almost but not quite have direct odds to call even if he's not putting another penny into the pot afterward.

Now, there are two key factors here that make folding a bit silly. First, as most of the replies here seem to acknowledge, this player is going to show up with something stupid on the river here sometimes. You can't discount the retard factor altogether nor can you guarantee we're even behind ott (although yes it's probable). The above range I used is giving this player too much credit. Second, we're getting the rest of his his stack should we bink. He has 40% or so of the pot behind him when called and (given that he seems fishy and wasn't even full to begin the hand) he's certainly not check/folding aces up or a set or anything like that to less than half the pot because a backdoor flush materialized. You're essentially risking tree fiddy ott to win 15 bucks and you have more than enough equity to take that risk.

I'd be interested in seeing an argument for folding from anyone who advocates it.
 
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Ya seriously, don't fold anywhere.

Preflop debatable, but whatever.
 
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DunningKruger said:
I'm quite surprised by some of the comments on this hand. Calling the turn in position is a no brainer in my opinion.

Even if we give him a strong value range of ~only~ sets and 2p hands that are beating us (88, 44, A8, A4, A3... didn't add in AA or junky stuff like 43s), we still have about 30% equity. Let's keep in mind that 8 cards will give us the stone nuts and 4 more (3 Ts and the 4d) still make the best hand here 70%-75% of the time on average against the aforementioned range. Our pot odds on the turn are 2:1 so we almost but not quite have direct odds to call even if he's not putting another penny into the pot afterward.

Now, there are two key factors here that make folding a bit silly. First, as most of the replies here seem to acknowledge, this player is going to show up with something stupid on the river here sometimes. You can't discount the retard factor altogether nor can you guarantee we're even behind ott (although yes it's probable). The above range I used is giving this player too much credit. Second, we're getting the rest of his his stack should we bink. He has 40% or so of the pot behind him when called and (given that he seems fishy and wasn't even full to begin the hand) he's certainly not check/folding aces up or a set or anything like that to less than half the pot because a backdoor flush materialized. You're essentially risking tree fiddy ott to win 15 bucks and you have more than enough equity to take that risk.

I'd be interested in seeing an argument for folding from anyone who advocates it.
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Agreed, even if he has 2 pair we still have A and 10 as outs Calling all the way down and shoving river. Or 10's as outs if he has A/J+.
 
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pre I might call as well, as hand played I think it is an easy call down on all streets.
 
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