$10 NLHE 6-max: AQo vs fish TPTK OTF

This hand has 2 points. So I will put spoilers in.

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1780553
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Hero (SB): $10.05 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.2, Hands: 269392
BB: $11.79 - VPIP: 60, PFR: 40, 3B: 20, AF: 1.7, hands: 15
UTG: $17.66 - VPIP: 18, PFR: 13, 3B: 6, AF: 4.1, Hands: 823
CO: $14.74 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 15, 3B: 4, AF: 7.0, Hands: 384
BTN: $11.33 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 12, 3B: 2, AF: 1.2, Hands: 3421

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with Q ♦ A ♠
3 folds, Hero raises to $0.30, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60) 4 ♦ T ♣ Q ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.30, BB calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.20) 4 ♥ (2 players)
Hero bets $0.70, BB raises to $2.05, .

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Blind vs. Blind, I dont think Baluga applies as much. So I think I'm okay with check/calling down. But I certainly dont donk the river, because once he raises the turn, his range is bluffs & monsters.

true he is a bvb, but I think best line would have been to call the raise on turn and perhaps call the bet on river.

but what you did makes no sense, what the fish did makes more sense.

I dont think you're ahead very often here when he plays it this way.

I dont like the flop bet size, way too small he's floating you sometimes, any two broadways are continuing, worse pairs just so much so i'd bet like 50c atleast. Same with turn, too small missing value.

I'd probably be trying to showdown here or if he was really aggressive (which we dont know over 15 hands) then just raise get it in and hope he has a worse TP. Like if id seen him raise a flop or turn before and i thought its likely he is aggro i think raising and getting it in is fine cause he can have worse tp's and draws but i think when unsure its maybe best to call the turn raise and ch/call a river.

I bet bigger on both streets. I fold here because it is BvB. QT and 4x are within his range, straight draws although possible are more likely to have raised the flop whilst backdoor flush draws will be fairly rare.
If we were up against a tag Btn vs BB I'd be more inclined to shove knowing he reps a minicule range of TT + quads. Vs an unknown BvB we can expect more hands that actually hit this flop.

Sure villain looks agressive but that 20% 3bet stat is likely 1/5 his PFR could easily go down, I've had stats like this plenty of times within my first 15 hands. All it takes is 6 raise worthy hands.

c9h13no3 said:

Blind vs. Blind, I dont think Baluga applies as much. So I think I'm okay with check/calling down. But I certainly dont donk the river, because once he raises the turn, his range is bluffs & monsters.

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I think this is spot on.

Why did you donk the river? He was trying to get more money in the pot for a reason. Unlikely Qx does this for a cheapish showdown, since you weren't betting much per street anyways, and that's all you're getting value from on the river.

i haven't looked at the spoiler's yet: i'd size my bets to around 2/3 pot. you don't have much history with villain so it's difficult to narrow his range but i would assume we could rule out QQ, TT and probably 44 so that leaves QT and a bunch of draws. could easily have a dbl draw on the turn.

if we bet 40 on the flop the pot would be 1.40, on turn then bet 1.00 and it would be much easier to shove over any raise.
as played a shove might only get called by a dbl draw and QT but i would shove anyway.

So your river bet was trying to induce a bluff shove? Seems hopeful at best.

WVHillbilly said:

So your river bet was trying to induce a bluff shove? Seems hopeful at best.

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Thats me, the eternal optimist....

Should I reveal what he had? (Hint, it has not been mentioned yet)

He had been so crazy so far, and he would have re raised me already (IMO) due to what I had seen so far, if he had a hand OTF or OTT that beat me. It is way too small a sample to really draw any definite conclusions, but TBO I thought he would fold OTR, or shove as a bluff more often that showing up with 4x, QT,TT etc. He would also shove AA and KK but I am almost certain he would have raised with this earlier. QT, T4, 44, TT are all in his range but I really think he is raising earlier.

People only drag out the conclusion this long if they caught the jerk bluffing.

fletchdad said:

He had been so crazy so far, and he would have re raised me already (IMO) due to what I had seen so far, if he had a hand OTF or OTT that beat me. It is way too small a sample to really draw any definite conclusions, but TBO I thought he would fold OTR, or shove as a bluff more often that showing up with 4x, QT,TT etc. He would also shove AA and KK but I am almost certain he would have raised with this earlier. QT, T4, 44, TT are all in his range but I really think he is raising earlier.

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You managed to read a lot into 15 hands. So you caught him with his hand in the cookie jar or what?

Yea, it was a leap of faith on my part. But he had bet a hand real aggressive, He had a good hand and re raised (won as well) so although only one hand, I took it at face value that he is raising me OTF, OTT here as well.... I didnt like the 4, but the rest of hsi range was still there, I hoped anyway.... He also seemed to be there for action, I did stereotype him fast, and was not sure if it was a good idea or not, which is why I posted. I actually did dont to induce a bluff shove, and I possibly played the hand bad, but I came to a conclusion about this guy and went with it.

I do this - make conclusions and act on them - and seem to be getting better, but also get trapped into making conclusions they want me to make.....

He had 66.

Well, it sounds like you had a read on the guy that you did not tell us about.

Well played, but unless you have a specific read, this play is just horrible.

Read: At microstakes, people do apey shit blind vs. blind. Especially when they've raised 7 of 15 hands preflop.

c9h13no3 said:

Read: At microstakes, people do apey shit blind vs. blind. Especially when they've raised 7 of 15 hands preflop.

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right, so his donk and call the shove on the river now makes sense because it is micro and it is bvb?

forsakenone said:

right, so his donk and call the shove on the river now makes sense because it is micro and it is bvb?

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Thought you were advocating a fold.

pot flop, pot turn, get the money in.

Bet more on the flop. Don't know about potting it, but if he's going to call .30, he'll probably call .40-.45 with pretty much or maybe even exactly the same range. You're decently if not well ahead of his range, so let him call more.

After he calls the flop, bet more on the turn. There's nothing to suggest you're behind, so unless you think his calling range is significantly smaller if you bet larger, you should bet larger.

When he raises you turn bet, what's he repping? Some hand with a 4? The 20 3bet suggests he doesn't have QQ or TT, so maybe some 2 pair hand he slow-played on the flop. Otoh, what could he be playing aggressively that you beat? KJ and J9 seem possible, although he might have raised the flop. A worse top pair? Possible. Smaller one pair hands, maybe with a turned flush draw? Also possible. And air. Seems like you have to call or re-raise; I don't know if either is significantly better.

And when he over-shoves the river, I don't think you can fold because it looks very likely to be a blank.