$10 NLHE 6-max: Aq 3bet Tptk

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poker stars, $0.08/$0.16 No Limit Hold'em Cash, 6 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite.
Hero (SB): $28.30 (176.9 bb)
BB: $22.41 (140.1 bb)
UTG: $58.25 (364.1 bb)
MP: $42.58 (266.1 bb)
CO: $19.85 (124.1 bb)
BTN: $15.79 (98.7 bb)
Preflop: Hero is SB with :qc4: :ac4:
UTG folds, MP raises to $0.32, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.28, BB calls $1.12, MP calls $0.96
Flop: ($3.84) :qd4: :3d4: :8c4: (3 players)
Hero bets $2.08, BB calls $2.08, MP calls $2.08
Turn: ($10.08) :4h4: (3 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $4, MP folds, Hero calls $4
River: ($18.08) :jh4: (2 players)
Hero bets $4.80, BB calls $4.80
Results: $27.68 pot ($1.25 rake)


I want your opinion about my game. thx.
 
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turn you need to raise more... if he calls ur going to be beat
 
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Totally agree, would of raised the turn, by checking and calling your just showing weakness for him to bet or bluff
 
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thx u, i thinked about it
 
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$10 NLHE 6-max: Aq 3bet Tptk

I see this problem a lot with players when you don't have a plan going into the turn.

If you're going to barrel the flop, check raising the turn makes very little sense. Because if you had a huge hand, you would have check/called the flop unless you are the master trapper (explain later) . When you make decisions for the future, think about the story you're telling.

You 3-bet pre from the small with AQ suited to start. Personally I would call here, as this is a hand you always want to see a flop with. Against MP range I understand the 3-bet, but if you get 4-bet you're folding 100% of the time, and why make this hand stronger, or weaker, then it is. But you 3-bet and get two calls, so lets go to the flop.

Flop is Q38 two diamonds, I relatively good flop for you since its not super connected and you had TPTK. When you bet here into 3 players from the SB, my question to you is "What do you find out with this bet?" If someone calls or raises, you have no idea where you're at. A ton of hands have a ton of equity going into the turn, especially when like 95% of your range should check the flop. I'd rather check/call or check/raise and probably check raise, because I want one of these players out of here, but you bet and get two calls and now we go to the turn.

Turn is a blank and you check. If I'm the villian, I'm going "Huh?" Like that awkward dog head tilt when he doesnt know whats going on. This story doesnt make sense and now you have no clue where you are in this hand. If you're going to check, you need to raise a bet on the turn ALL the time, because you can be dead, and you can be behind, but you have no clue now and are guessing. This is why I said earlier it makes little sense because what your range should be doing a lot of the time on the flop to isolate, but you have to do it given the route we took, which just leads to problems.

Now the river you lead out after check/calling the turn on a little scary card, a J. QJ got there, 109 of diamonds got there, two jacks can take this line and got there, you lose to 88, and 33, but you dont know. Its all a guess. At this point I'd check call, but I'd hate it, because its a complete 50/50.

Next time just take a more balanced line, or a story that makes more sense. You may have won the hand as I think he has KQ, as a set probably value/raises the river. But next time, take a line thats going to earn you more money in the long run, take down pots so people dont catch up, and so you can figure out where you are and polarize ranges better so you can put people on a hand.
 
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You 3-bet pre from the small with AQ suited to start. Personally I would call here, as this is a hand you always want to see a flop with. Against MP range I understand the 3-bet, but if you get 4-bet you're folding 100% of the time, and why make this hand stronger, or weaker, then it is. But you 3-bet and get two calls, so lets go to the flop.

Flop is Q38 two diamonds, I relatively good flop for you since its not super connected and you had TPTK. When you bet here into 3 players from the SB, my question to you is "What do you find out with this bet?" If someone calls or raises, you have no idea where you're at. A ton of hands have a ton of equity going into the turn, especially when like 95% of your range should check the flop. I'd rather check/call or check/raise and probably check raise, because I want one of these players

I think AQs should be 3 bet for value here because it's a single raised pot and we are in the SB. If it was multi way and we were closing action in the BB I don't mind flatting sometimes. We should be more worried about flatting and being squeezed then being 4 bet. Having hands we can 3 bet for value that can fold to 4 bets isn't a bad thing and is probably more balanced then having only bluffs that we fold to 4 bets.

On the flop I disagree we are checking 95% of our 3 bet range here. We are betting QQ+, AQ, AdXd(Should have some suited rag bluffs as well as AdKd)

What are we checking? 1010/JJ, AK and whatever 3 bet bluffs we missed on. Also our bet isn't for information, it's for value and once called we should proceed with caution to the turn. I'd also bet the flop larger, ~$2.60

The turn is the tricky part and after being called in 2 spots on flop I don't mind checking but once the action is such a small bet I think we can raise or call. I lean forwards calling with these stack sizes and jamming if we had less behind. As played x/call river to allow bluffs and to protect yourself from being raised. This river is too thin to bet/fold.
 
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I think u need check/raise on turn and river)if he re raise just fold cuz he maybe call 3 bet with 9 10 suits
 
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I think AQs should be 3 bet for value here because it's a single raised pot and we are in the SB. If it was multi way and we were closing action in the BB I don't mind flatting sometimes. We should be more worried about flatting and being squeezed then being 4 bet. Having hands we can 3 bet for value that can fold to 4 bets isn't a bad thing and is probably more balanced then having only bluffs that we fold to 4 bets.



On the flop I disagree we are checking 95% of our 3 bet range here. We are betting QQ+, AQ, AdXd(Should have some suited rag bluffs as well as AdKd)



What are we checking? 1010/JJ, AK and whatever 3 bet bluffs we missed on. Also our bet isn't for information, it's for value and once called we should proceed with caution to the turn. I'd also bet the flop larger, ~$2.60



The turn is the tricky part and after being called in 2 spots on flop I don't mind checking but once the action is such a small bet I think we can raise or call. I lean forwards calling with these stack sizes and jamming if we had less behind. As played x/call river to allow bluffs and to protect yourself from being raised. This river is too thin to bet/fold.


I agree with the river completely and the turn. But on the flop, my 3-bet/check call range is probably wider then my lead range here, and most players won't raise air in this spot. I'd rather my opponent drive money into the pot as KQ will lead here all the time as will some draws. Thats at least how I philosophize this flop almost always (also base on the player). I'd rather polarize the range of the better then have mine polarized and be very vulnerable three ways into the turn/river
 
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I think that you must raise on the turn.
 
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Stats brother we need some stats for the BB especially.
I don't mind the 3bet but calling is also fine. If the BB is fishy you want to call and give him the opportunity to come along. If he's decent you want to drive him out by 3betting.
So here BB flats a 3bet and is going to be sandwiched in the hand. Good players just don't do this unless you in the SB are 3betting wide and they can trap you with AA and sometimes KK. The problem is if you flat in the BB with a premium then MP will come as long much wider as he has position.
So with TPTK I would bet a minimum of 3/4 pot here. If a large cbet gets called by a good player here you are in trouble and need to head for as cheap a showdown as we can manage.
The value of the larger c bet is partially for value and information. Checking here oop really does keep you in the dark. If the BB is fishy of course we want to bet for value.
So called twice here to a half pot bet I'd be shutting down.
The $4 turn looks like a milk, the BB usually has you beaten here probably by AA KK. The only other hand that might do that is AdKd looking to set a cheap price for his draw but that is only 1 combo compared to 12 AA/KK
This is why stats are so important you have to know the BB player type if he's fishy then continue as he could have anything if he's decent then consider folding the turn.
I'm never raising the turn here.
 
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thanks for your assessment, will be very useful to reflect over it
 
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