$10 NLHE 6-max: Another of those "Fold KK pre?" ones...

fletchdad

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Since he is offering me the illusion of FE if I shove, and IMO he is never folding to a shove, can he have AK-QQ here enough? I am obv. not forgetting KK but ....lol

I had never folded KK pre in my life, I believe, and didnt know if this might be the place to start???


Pacific $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 1934573
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BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 16, 3B: 10, AF: 3.0, hands: 158
SB: $18.16 - VPIP: 24, PFR: 16, 3B: 5, AF: 3.2, Hands: 400
Hero (BB): $10.00 - VPIP: 26, PFR: 16, 3B: 6, AF: 1.7, Hands: 13727
UTG: $12.69 - VPIP: 43, PFR: 10, 3B: 22, AF: 2.0, Hands: 21
MP: $11.98 - VPIP: 22, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 8.3, Hands: 161
CO: $12.30 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 14, 3B: 10, AF: 2.0, Hands: 187

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with K :heart: K :club:
UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO raises to $0.45, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.50, 1 fold, CO raises to $3.80, Hero??
 
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same as my analysis in the other recent fold KK pre thread.

yes he does this w QQ/AK enough, but we dont shove just incase its more of a rubbish hand. i like call and ch/shove flop.

its $2.3 to win ~$11.6 or something. assuming everytime you call the 4b and ch/shove the flop he has AA, we win 1/5 times. everytime he has QQ we win 4/5 times. not sure how to work out how often we win when he has AK since you have to count for the times theres an A on the flop and the times there isnt, but moral of the story, calling the 4b and ch/shoving the flop is always going to be better than folding pre.

obv he mustve woken up w AA here since you posted, but w/e cooler. also, i think your 3b sizing is way too huge and pretty much skews all villains who 4b you to have mostly AA. 3b sizing should be $1.30 at most imo
 
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also, i think your 3b sizing is way too huge and pretty much skews all villains who 4b you to have mostly AA. 3b sizing should be $1.30 at most imo


yea we spoke about that. Old habits are hard to change, and I believe you have a good point here.
 
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Ship it. Not a fan of flatting here because a 14/10 doesn't have a ton of bluffs (and if he does he'll play perfect postflop and we just let him draw to a 3-outter). His 4b is actually on the large size (as is your 3b), so I wouldn't think it's more likely to be AA or anything.
 
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Ship it. Not a fan of flatting here because a 14/10 doesn't have a ton of bluffs (and if he does he'll play perfect postflop and we just let him draw to a 3-outter). His 4b is actually on the large size (as is your 3b), so I wouldn't think it's more likely to be AA or anything.

But since his 4bet is on the larger side (Would this not make you think he might have QQ-AK, thus trying to confuse you (If they do have AA), and it also makes getting it in post flop easier also), or am I mistaken
 
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But since his 4bet is on the larger side (Would this not make you think he might have QQ-AK, thus trying to confuse you (If they do have AA), and it also makes getting it in post flop easier also), or am I mistaken

outlevelling yourself imo.

Ship it. Not a fan of flatting here because a 14/10 doesn't have a ton of bluffs (and if he does he'll play perfect postflop and we just let him draw to a 3-outter). His 4b is actually on the large size (as is your 3b), so I wouldn't think it's more likely to be AA or anything.

urghhhhh i didnt see vil stats, i just saw a thread titled 'fold KK pre', sighed, and started replying lol. i agree that this is a shove pre now. hes getting it in w QQ+ for sure
 
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This isn't even close.
 
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