$10 NLHE 6-max: AKs in position facing 3bet: Cold Call, Fold, or 4bet?

$10 NL HE 6-max: AKs in position facing 3bet: Cold Call, Fold, or 4bet?

poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 559528
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Bergwolf (CO): $13.90
Hero (BTN): $10.00
Old2009 (SB): $11.40
kuri3460 (BB): $11.25
maggielover (UTG): $11.50

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BTN with K A
maggielover raises to $0.30, Bergwolf raises to $0.90, Hero ???

here's some stats maggie is a 28/14/2.5 and bergwolf is a 21/17/3 but i don't have too many hands on them (around 70ish)

4bet to 2.50- if you get one caller the pot will be around 5.00 on the flop.
If you hit TP your committed and can shove.

I'd be looking for more info on the guy who 3bet but as standard I 3bet to around $1.20 but you can make whatever 3bet you normally make, just 3x or less is best here.

I don't really want to take this post-flop, although I don't mind calling his 3bet pre-flop and floating a lot, that's the only post-flop line I like here.

I want to be able to fold pre-flop if I get 5bet, and I want to be able to c-bet without getting commited.

call then push if you hit A

Not that it really matters, but some of the "3bet"s in my previous post are supposed to be "4bet", in case it's confusing.

ljove said:

call then push if you hit A

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Why do you think this is the best line?
What do you expect to give you action (that you beat) when you overbet shove the flop?

Typically AK has the problem that the hands that are beaten when you hit your pair will mostly shut down because A's and K's are big scare cards to anything less. AQ does tend to pay it off a lot and is probably calling more than folding regardless of what action you take post flop if the A hits, but even that you're only really getting action a small amount of the time (it's one hand in their range, and you're not going to hit the A very often when you and your opponent both have one already).
Keep in mind that if you're only calling to hit a pair, you're losing money on the initial call and need to make up for it when you do hit, so you need to get pretty good value when you do hit.

The reason I like floating a lot of flops (if we keep the pot small pre-flop) is that turned A's and K's are less likely to hit us and more likely to get paid, as well as turned/rivered flushes. However I'm not eager to play this hand for value on the flop, a lot of weaker hands fold and in a 3bet pot we're stuck giving value to bigger hands, instead I think we need to either get stacks in pre-flop or be relying more on stealing pots or turning our hand into an implied odds hand (turned/rivered A's, K's and flushes). Since the stack sizes aren't very good for getting it in pre-flop (not getting called by worse, and unlikely to have enough fold equity to justify the shove), I think we have to be willing to keep the pot small or fold a lot.

ljove said:

call then push if you hit A

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We are not getting sufficient odds to call to hit an A, there are only 3 left.

Any other plans if we call? If not, folding is far better than calling.

@pokerkid - do you mean that we should 4bet to $2.70? The alternative is to flat the 3bet and fold to a 4bet from UTG, and we float postflop (assuming no 4bet)?

Edit: nvr mind pokerkid, you posted while I was writing...

thepokerkid123 said:

I'd be looking for more info on the guy who 3bet but as standard I 3bet to around $1.20 but you can make whatever 3bet you normally make, just 3x or less is best here.

I don't really want to take this post-flop, although I don't mind calling his 3bet pre-flop and floating a lot, that's the only post-flop line I like here.

I want to be able to fold pre-flop if I get 5bet, and I want to be able to c-bet without getting commited.

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arent you scared that UTG might 4bet here if you call?

Hmmm, I need to take up drugs or something, just so I have an excuse when I come up with random incoherent posts.

I was trying to say that I 4bet smaller, like 2.5x ($2.30). The 4bet already looks ridiculously strong and we can save 4bb that we would have spent if we 4bet to 3x and folded. It also makes playing this hand a lot easier since if the pot gets around the $6 mark we've got a tough decision on whether to call a shove pre-flop, on the flop, or to shove yourself on the flop, you also can't ever float a bet on the flop with these stack sizes.



As for UTG 4betting if we call, it's 10nl, no I'm not scared of being squeezed unless UTG's shown tendencies towards plays like that before. If UTG 4bets I give them credit for a top 3% hand, considering that their PFR is 28% (granted, if they're positionally aware, it will be a little lower) then I figure there's a 10% chance of getting 4bet. IF you think they're likely to 4bet/squeeze, then call and call the shove.