$10 NLHE 6-max: AKo vs 15/12 and misses the Flop.

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poker stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2585747
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SB: $10.00
BB: $14.50
UTG: $12.94
MP: $10.49
Hero (CO): $10.00
BTN: $15.24

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is CO with A :heart: K :club:
UTG raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1, BTN calls $1, 3 folds, MP calls $0.75

Flop: ($3.40) Q :spade: 2 :spade: 8 :heart: (3 players)
MP checks, Hero bets $2, BTN calls $2, MP folds

Turn: ($7.40) 7 :spade: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $4.50, Hero folds


I just want to know what peaple think about my play, And what I could have done differently.
 
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I think I left out some information. The BTN is 15/12 over 175 hands. The MP is 22/17 over 110 hands.
 
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The raise pre is a bit big for my liking. I think we fold out too many hands we beat comfortably by betting so much.

The flop is an easy check/fold. When the button flats a 3 bet like that and hes as tight as he is, then we can assume his range to be roughly TT-AA and AK. Yes we fold out TT and JJ but that's at the very bottom of his range and we still have the UTG to get through.

As played the turn then becomes an even easier check/fold.
 
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Frankly i don't mind the way you played this hand so i don't see anything alarmingly wrong with the way you played it.

You just whiffed with AK after a 3bet pre flop and the player at the button has your hand beat as he called our 3bet pre flop plus our strong c-bet on the flop. So time to give up - good fold. :)
 
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I think the pre-flop 3bet is too small and accomplishes little; AK performs a lot better against a single opponent. I'd make a standard pot-sized 3-bet preflop to $1.15 giving your opponents exactly 2:1 on a call and likely thinning the field.
 
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I think the pre-flop 3bet is too small and accomplishes little; AK performs a lot better against a single opponent. I'd make a standard pot-sized 3-bet preflop to $1.15 giving your opponents exactly 2:1 on a call and likely thinning the field.

Yep and turn our hand face up...
 
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Yep and turn our hand face up...

I disagree, this is a squeeze which can be done with a wider range of hands. In fact by making a smaller 3-bet your hand is more face-up as it screams "PLEASE CALL"
 
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I disagree, this is a squeeze which can be done with a wider range of hands. In fact by making a smaller 3-bet your hand is more face-up as it screams "PLEASE CALL"

A standard 3 bet in position is 3x and you want to make it 5x?

If I have AQ or JJ and someone 5x's my open then Im folding fairly quickly.

If you 5x with value hands then you have to do it with bluffs also. This means that you are reducing your stack to pot ratio and reducing any post-flop skill advantage. It makes you highly exploitable because I can just nut peddle and then 4 bet you and profit.
 
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If there is a limper in front of you do you still raise 3BB as an open? Same applies to squeezing - you should raise the size of your 3bet when there are extra callers as standard; this helps you get the maximum out of your value hands. I don't think that terms like 5x or 4x are of much use when it comes to 3betting. I believe it is more useful to think about your bet sizing in terms of what odds you are giving your opponents to call. A raise to $1.15 would make the pot $1.80, your opponents now have to call $0.90. This is giving your opponents 2:1 which is a reasonable 3bet.

So lets say instead we raise to $0.75 or "3x". This makes the pot $1.40. Your opponents would call with pretty much there entire opening range getting a ridiculously sick price so what's the point making the raise in the first place? This is why I advocate making the raise slightly larger. Additionally, you said about reducing the SPR: actually if you think about it, if you raise $.75 and get two callers you have a pot of $2.40 going into the flop; raise $1.15 and get one caller and you have $2.70 going to the flop, so you're against a single opponent in a very slightly bigger pot. Sure you could get everyone to fold but this isn't the worst since you only hit the flop around 1/3 of the time, but by raising more and thinning the field you have a greater chance to steal the pot post-flop if you do happen to miss.

EDIT: made a few more points
 
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So lets say instead we raise to $0.75 or "3x". This makes the pot $1.40. Your opponents would call with pretty much there entire opening range getting a ridiculously sick price so what's the point making the raise in the first place? This is why I advocate making the raise slightly larger.

EDIT: made a few more points

Thanks for the post. I haven't thought about my preflop raise sizing like this before and I've been playing for a while. Just got stuck into the meta mindset of 3x raising preflop...
 
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Going 4x when it is a squeeze is fine IMO. Especially consider he raised 2.5x. You're only essentially making it 1BB more than if he went the standard 3x and you 3x'ed that.

Flop is a X/F due to the reasons YGM has given above.
 
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Okay, I think my 3Bet Pre were standard. I even think I could have made it bigger becuse of what spookah said and AK preform better in HU pot than MW. The Flop is weird. I though that he could not have KK nor AA. He could have 99-QQ and AK maybe AQ. So I desiceded to C-bet becuse I though that a Q is such a small part of hes range but still it is in hes range. I dont think the C-bet were that bad even though I think I could have made it smaller and still achieve the same goal.

And BTW what would you guys do if one of the two opponents 4Bet pre?
 
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If there is a limper in front of you do you still raise 3BB as an open? Same applies to squeezing - you should raise the size of your 3bet when there are extra callers as standard; this helps you get the maximum out of your value hands. I don't think that terms like 5x or 4x are of much use when it comes to 3betting. I believe it is more useful to think about your bet sizing in terms of what odds you are giving your opponents to call. A raise to $1.15 would make the pot $1.80, your opponents now have to call $0.90. This is giving your opponents 2:1 which is a reasonable 3bet.

So lets say instead we raise to $0.75 or "3x". This makes the pot $1.40. Your opponents would call with pretty much there entire opening range getting a ridiculously sick price so what's the point making the raise in the first place? This is why I advocate making the raise slightly larger. Additionally, you said about reducing the SPR: actually if you think about it, if you raise $.75 and get two callers you have a pot of $2.40 going into the flop; raise $1.15 and get one caller and you have $2.70 going to the flop, so you're against a single opponent in a very slightly bigger pot. Sure you could get everyone to fold but this isn't the worst since you only hit the flop around 1/3 of the time, but by raising more and thinning the field you have a greater chance to steal the pot post-flop if you do happen to miss.

EDIT: made a few more points

Sorry I did not see the extra caller. Scanned through the hand too fast.

I still make it 4x. 5x is too big imo for the reasons I gave before. It means you have to do it with all your bluffs as well and there really is no need.

There is a pokerstars Pro from germany called Felix. He makes a lot of money at 200nl. He always min opens, 2x, in cash games. His 3 bet is often not much more and yet he crushes the games.

So, yes, at the micros raising more when we have nut type hands is good. But 25nl is the region where we have to stop doing that because we make ourselves exploitable.
 
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Good play at my end.

Surely we are beat here and just move on the next hand.
 
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