$10 NLHE 6-max: AKo though decision PRE, OTF and OTT. flopping an A OOP

Hand Information
pokerstars No Limit, 0.1 BB (6 handed).
Hand History converter courtesy of pokerhandreplays.com

Player 6 stats: VPIP: 24; PFR: 21; 3Bet: 10,0; Cbet: 72; hands: 2k;

Table Information
Seat: 1 Player 1 ($7.47) Dealer
Seat: 2 Player 2 ($6.25) Small Blind
Seat: 3 Player 3 ($10) Big Blind
Seat: 4 Hero ($10.25)
Seat: 5 Player 5 ($13.31)
Seat: 6 Player 6 ($11.35)
Dealt to Hero
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Preflop (Pot:0.15)
Hero****RAISE $0.3
Player 5****FOLD
Player 6****RAISE $0.8
Player 1****FOLD
Player 2****FOLD
Player 3****FOLD
Hero****CALL $0.5

Flop(Pot: $1.75)
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Hero****CHECK
Player 6****BET $1.11
Hero****RAISE $2.5
Player 6****CALL $1.39

Turn(Pot: $6.75)
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Hero****BET $3.8
Player 6****CALL $3.8

River(Pot: $14.35)
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Hero****ALL-IN
Player 6****CALL $3.15

Should I have called or Re-raised PRE? I dont want to get it all-in pre and I want to keep the pot a little bit smaller because I am OOP, Thats why I called.

OTF I decided to raise because of the possible flush draw and the reason that I dont think he would 3Bet me here with 88 or 55 so the only hand that could beat me here is AA. Now I know now that the flush didnt matter because it is the Ac On the board so he could only make a flush draw with KQs.

OTT I kept on betting even though the Q was not a good card because one of the cards I wanted to get value from was AQ. But I still dont think I can lay it down so easy. The only realistic hand that beats me here is AA. I think I should have gone all-in instead of 1/2 stack into stack pot. The reason for that is because I will go all-in OTR anyways and I dont have a drawing hand so its way more worth it to go all-in now!

OTR, Now AKdd and if he could have AJdd. and I splitt with AK(not AKdd) I beat any AJ if they exist and I lose to AA (could he have QQ? maybe?)

What do you guys think? did I miss something or did I say something that was wrong?

btw, the 3Bet stat is for any position, hes MP 3Bet is 5.

I think calling is fine pre. On the flop, why are you raising, not many worse hands that are calling you. Think you should just call and let him bluff for the rest of the hand.

I 4-bet and call it off. This guy has been 3-betting you a bit, and his stats sorta suggest he could stack off light. And AK doesn't flop particularly well. But how the game has been playing out (history with villain) matters a lot here.

I hate how you played this postflop... That micro-bet on the river is poorly planned.

SnowedIn the reason why I raised OTF was because I though he could have a flush draw. But that really did not make any sense. So the raise was most likely just dumb.

c9h13no3 I didnt have any notes that had anything to do with this senario so I was just going on stats. If I had AKs or KK+ I would have 4B/All-in but with QQ and Ak I dont really like going all-in PRE.

And the Turn bet was really bad planed. I should have just shoved right there. Especely if he had something like KQcc or some other dd hand like A9dd-ATdd

mr_kommpa said:

but with QQ and AK I dont really like going all-in PRE.

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Uh.... why? Against players who 3-bet a normal range, 4-betting these is pretty standard. This chart is helpful. I first posted it in 2010...

3-bet percentage you need to be facing in order to 4-bet/call off
* KK+: Good against any range
* QQ: vs 3% or higher (3% is AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* JJ: vs 6.5% or higher
* TT: vs 8.5% or higher
* 99: vs 10.5% or higher
* 88: vs 12.5% or higher
* 77: vs 14% or higher
* AKs: vs 3% or higher (AK, JJ+, 40 combos total)
* AQs: vs 8% or higher
* AJs: vs 13% or higher
* AKo: vs 5% or higher (AK, JJ+, plus 22% bluffs)
* AQo: vs 9% or higher

Since villain in this post 3-bets 10% of the time, we can 4-bet and call off really loose with hands like AQ, TT and still show a profit.

That is a useful list but I would raise the point that there is a big difference between 3 betting % and how often someone is 5 bet shoving.
As a regular 4 bettor myself at 25nl I have the "fold to 4 bet" stat on my hud. Although the stat takes time to normalise I now have 1-2k of hands on most of the regs. In general there are a few that nearly always 5 bet shove and others that will only shove AA & KK.
The main feature of this hand is that you are oop, you can/should be looking to reduce his positional advantage by 4 betting and looking to end the hand or get your money in asap. This is exactly the sort of villain to 4 bet either in or out of position to slow him down. Im more inclined to flat in position to keep in and dominate his weaker holdings. Im not so keen flatting oop without the initiative
Here a 4 bet will bloat the pot and let you gii quicker.

Figaroo2 said:

That is a useful list but I would raise the point that there is a big difference between 3 betting % and how often someone is 5 bet shoving.

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This does not matter. The 4-bet/call off will always be profitable no matter what their 5-bet range is.

Okay I will try it out

lets say that you are against someone that has a 3Bet of 6.5% and your range than is AJ JJ+. But your opponent only shoves KK+ AK.

Vil range 3Bet range = 6.5 %
Vil 5Bet Shove = 2.11%
Your 4B/shove range = 3.02%

vil folds v 4Bet = 2.11/6.5 = around 2/3

your 3.02 range vs vil 5bet shove range = 45% vs 55%

total 2/3*$1+1/3*(0.45x10-0.55x10) = EV +$1.

So your stratergy works! But is it the most +EV play? I mean, with those cards, AK+ JJ+. You could make alot of plays that is +EV like shoving AA instantly pre, That will be +EV but not the most +EV and not the best play

Really nice list though! going to write it down Do you know what stack sizes it works with?

mr_kommpa said:

So your stratergy works! But is it the most +EV play?

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No it may not be. We if we know a villain folds a ton preflop, we could maybe fold some lesser hands and make more money. But it's pretty hard to know villain's 5-bet tendencies, so instead of trying to guess, I just always call.

mr_kommpa said:

Really nice list though! going to write it down Do you know what stack sizes it works with?

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It assumes 100 big blinds. Obviously the shorter the stack, the wider you can bet/call off with. The opposite is true with a deeper stack.