$10 NLHE 6-max: AKo BTN vs SB, 3 bet pre

Since it is BTN vs SB, I am guessing he can 3 bet wide enough, but he is so tight, that I am wondering if I am facing QQ+ and AK only if he calls a shove. I wont call here, so it fold or shove. Would anyone just call? I cant see that.

BTW, my stats are a bit missleading here. I made a post of my play before, but over the last 10 K hands I am 18.9/15.0. I have made some adjustments to my play.

full tilt poker $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 2060695
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BTN: $10.00 - VPIP: 12, PFR: 9, 3B: 4, AF: 0.9, Hands: 529
Hero (SB): $10.00 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 14, 3B: 5, AF: 2.4, Hands: 43923
BB: $7.10 - VPIP: 31, PFR: 5, 3B: 0, AF: 4.0, Hands: 58
UTG: $15.13 - VPIP: 20, PFR: 16, 3B: 3, AF: 1.7, Hands: 230
MP: $10.50 - VPIP: 42, PFR: 25, 3B: 0, AF: Infinity, Hands: 12
CO: $11.85 - VPIP: 21, PFR: 17, 3B: 4, AF: 11.0, Hands: 146

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A :diamond: K :club:
3 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, BTN raises to $3.10, Hero ?

Does button always open to 3.5? Does he call wide enough to make 3betting AKo profitable? (flatting is a fine option vs this villain). We can guess his 4betting range is super tight. You could ship, close your eyes, and hope you're only just behind to QQ I guess, but there are probably better ways to play this hand vs someone this tight.

i would put him at least on jj or qq here, so its down to a coin flip and not really worth it to put the money in, being unlucky he got KK than you will only have 3 outs, its not profitable any more...

..don't like 3betting if we don't know what to do to a 4bet.

flat > gii > flat 4bet OOP

I did know what I wanted to do to his 4 bet. I want to know what others think. My decision was easy for me, but was it the right one?

Do you mean flat pre????? And flatting a 4bet OOP aint an option IMO.

fletchdad said:

I did know what I wanted to do to his 4 bet. I want to know what others think. My decision was easy for me, but was it the right one?

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fletchdad said:

[color=[color=red]red[/color]]Hero ?

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You folded right?

See what others say, but vs what we can imagine might be his 4bet range, you surely were not fist pumping when you shipped.

what's his raise first in on btn? does he 4bet much? vpip/pfr essentially meaningless apart from im gonna assume he doesnt like gambling so might have a low 4bet. 3bet is fine, his 4bet is hurrendous, im down with 3bet folding if he is never 4bet bluffing, just 3bet shoving if he will 4bet get in QQ+ and some bluffs, and even flatting pre if he just folds to all your 3bets apart from when he has the nuts, but yeh vpip pfr aint really helpful here cause even 22/20's could open the same % of buttons and we might think its an easy 3b 5b vs them cause they have "standard" stats

"his 4bet is hurrendous" - What does this mean? He should jam and not 4-bet?

"just 3bet shoving if he will 4bet get in QQ+ and some bluffs" - didn't understand this part.

This is slightly different to my hand: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-full-ring-preflop-reraise-218487/ so I am interested to compare the situations.

fletchdad said:

I did know what I wanted to do to his 4 bet. I want to know what others think. My decision was easy for me, but was it the right one?

Do you mean flat pre????? And flatting a 4bet OOP aint an option IMO.

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This is the thing, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks because all 4 options including calling a 4bet could be good here, when all we are given is a 12/9 raises the button you aren't actually going to get a definitive answer cause there isnt one.

Can you tell us his raise first in from the button? fold to 3bet? 4bet?

LD1977 said:

"his 4bet is hurrendous" - What does this mean? He should jam and not 4-bet?

His sizing is awful is what i mean, if he ever bluffs with this sizing then we can fistpump shove and take the dead money, if he never bluffs then he is making the game super easy for us cause we know he has like QQ+ and can just fold.


"just 3bet shoving if he will 4bet get in QQ+ and some bluffs" - didn't understand this part. like above, if hes gonna bluff at all (we could look at his stats to see how often he 4bets, then we should just ship it in and not worry about it, its +EV for the times we take the big pot uncontested

This is slightly different to my hand: https://www.cardschat.com/forum/cash-game-hand-analysis-50/2-nlhe-full-ring-preflop-reraise-218487/ so I am interested to compare the situations.

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This is way different yeh, one situation we are the raiser, one we arent. One we have a tight range and are 3bet, one we are 3betting a generally much wider range, which is why im asking fd to try and specifiy villains range which could be 20% or could be 40% and without any info there is no point discussing what to do cause all options could be valid

I don't like flatting 4 bet obv. I think we lose value by flatting original raise, so I like folding to the 4 bet.

Don't think we need the hassle of a flip as this is never ever ever ever ever AQ.

acky100 said:

This is the thing, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks because all 4 options including calling a 4bet could be good here, when all we are given is a 12/9 raises the button you aren't actually going to get a definitive answer cause there isnt one.

Can you tell us his raise first in from the button? fold to 3bet? 4bet?

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521 hands BTN raise first 27% fold to 3 bet 33% 4 bet range 3,0% 4 bet 33%

Awesome, well now i'm totally fine with a 3bet for value, and it looks likely that hes bluffing enough that we arent going to make a mistake 5bet shoving over his 4bets, weird about his sizing though, id check his 4bet sample wasnt from when he was in EP or something, still think getting it in is totally fine though, don't really like flatting pre when he's playing 30% of buttons and not folding to a lot of 3bets, its obviously fine to do every now and again though

Given that extra info 3bet/ship is obv fine.

Thanks guys!

I will try to remember to put the pertinent info in in future hands.


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Acky - I understand what you are saying regarding his bluffing, but in that case what would be a correct bet sizing? Meaning, how can he make himself unexploitable if he bluffs lets say 25% of his 4-bets?

He should make it 5* 3-bet then? One time we pick him off for every 4 times we don't?

His 4bet size is too big. A 4bet to $2 - $2.25 accomplishes all the same things the bigger 4bet does but makes folding to a shove, if we're bluffing, ok.