$10 NLHE 6-max: AK facing squeeze: line check

vilstats;

rubbago: 28/22/5.6/25, 99 hands
isimagen: 43/17 159 hands

first 2 stats are vpip/pfr for both, then 3b% and squeeze % for rubbago.

pokerstars Hand #83528101785: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/07/18 21:06:51 ET
Table 'Hydra II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: isimagen ($15.22 in chips)
Seat 2: donnabis59 ($12.93 in chips)
Seat 3: BA MNE ($16.97 in chips)
Seat 4: jchoop ($12.41 in chips)
Seat 5: rubbago ($19.52 in chips)
Seat 6: RM_Celtica ($12.70 in chips)
RM_Celtica: posts small blind $0.05
isimagen: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [Kh Ac]
donnabis59: calls $0.10
BA MNE: raises $0.20 to $0.30
jchoop: calls $0.30
rubbago: raises $1.25 to $1.55
RM_Celtica: folds
isimagen: calls $1.45
donnabis59: folds
BA MNE: folds
jchoop: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6c Ad]
isimagen: checks
jchoop: checks
rubbago: bets $2.58
isimagen: calls $2.58
jchoop: raises $8.28 to $10.86 and is all-in
rubbago: folds
isimagen: folds
Uncalled bet ($8.28) returned to jchoop
jchoop collected $12.26 from pot

I only flat the opening raise w/ my AK because PFR'er is a nit. this is the correct play and i dont care for comments telling me otherwise. Im concerned with how the hand went after i flatted the initial open.

arguments for/against how i played once rubbago squeezed and was called. not sure whether i shouldve just jammed here or not. i dont really shoving because hes just 3b an UTG open w/ a caller, but then i dont think hes realising how strong this looks either. i also dont really like calling cos i lose the initiative.

how about the check/shove postflop? good or bad, why?

also as a side note, the HH converted linked at the top of cardschat doesnt work for me, says HH wrong format. anyone know why?

cheers guys

Easy 4-bet.

Also, stop saying you don't want comments on how to play AK, when this flop clearly illustrates why AK puts out huge reverse implied odds.

Well since you don't want comments about the original flat, I won't correct you and I'll just say 4bet.

jchoop said:

vilstats;

rubbago: 28/22/5.6/25, 99 hands
isimagen: 43/17 159 hands

first 2 stats are vpip/pfr for both, then 3b% and squeeze % for rubbago.

PokerStars Hand #83528101785: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10 USD) - 2012/07/18 21:06:51 ET
Table 'Hydra II' 6-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: isimagen ($15.22 in chips)
Seat 2: donnabis59 ($12.93 in chips)
Seat 3: BA MNE ($16.97 in chips)
Seat 4: jchoop ($12.41 in chips)
Seat 5: rubbago ($19.52 in chips)
Seat 6: RM_Celtica ($12.70 in chips)
RM_Celtica: posts small blind $0.05
isimagen: posts big blind $0.10
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to jchoop [Kh Ac]
donnabis59: calls $0.10
BA MNE: raises $0.20 to $0.30
jchoop: calls $0.30
rubbago: raises $1.25 to $1.55
RM_Celtica: folds
isimagen: calls $1.45
donnabis59: folds
BA MNE: folds
jchoop: calls $1.25
*** FLOP *** [Jc 6c Ad]
isimagen: checks
jchoop: checks
rubbago: bets $2.58
isimagen: calls $2.58
jchoop: raises $8.28 to $10.86 and is all-in
rubbago: folds
isimagen: folds
Uncalled bet ($8.28) returned to jchoop
jchoop collected $12.26 from pot

I only flat the opening raise w/ my AK because PFR'er is a nit. this is the correct play and i dont care for comments telling me otherwise. Im concerned with how the hand went after i flatted the initial open.

arguments for/against how i played once rubbago squeezed and was called. not sure whether i shouldve just jammed here or not. i dont really shoving because hes just 3b an UTG open w/ a caller, but then i dont think hes realising how strong this looks either. i also dont really like calling cos i lose the initiative.

how about the check/shove postflop? good or bad, why?

also as a side note, the HH converted linked at the top of cardschat doesnt work for me, says HH wrong format. anyone know why?

cheers guys

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okay, go on then. why do i 3b here preflop. only argument i can possibly see is to iso..... to iso a nit whose going to 4b or fold

c9h13no3 said:

Easy 4-bet.

Also, stop saying you don't want comments on how to play AK, when this flop clearly illustrates why AK puts out huge reverse implied odds.

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could you elaborate on this please?
i think youre sayign shove is shit because worse folds better calls. in which case i totally agree. i shoved to induce folds (and yes, probably lost a ton of value) because im OOP in a 3 handed pot and consequently, hate seeing any K Q J T or club

Super standard backraise pre/stackoff -- not reshipping pre is a sin.

hate seeing any K Q J T or club

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Clubs should be the least of your concerns in this hand. You don't want folds when you're ahead.

baudib1 said:

Super standard backraise pre/stackoff -- not reshipping pre is a sin.



Clubs should be the least of your concerns in this hand. You don't want folds when you're ahead.

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ye i agree its being a pretty big value pussy lol. so whats the line, flat the flop and donk the turn? check and risk turn being checked back?

why is 4b/4b shove pre ever good? get called by better always, always fold out worse and lose value

As played, flatting the nit's raise is fine and stacking the flop is also fine.

However, the optimal play is to just stick it in pre after the nit folds. 3-bettor is aggressive and cold-caller is a total monkey. Because this

get called by better always, always fold out worse and lose value

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is clearly not true. JJ/TT can clearly fold and AQ- can clearly call.

AKo is profitable to shove vs. a 5% 3-bet range and with dead money it's profitable to shove vs. a tighter range. Cold-caller most likely has a wider range to call off as well.

baudib1 said:

As played, flatting the nit's raise is fine and stacking the flop is also fine.

However, the optimal play is to just stick it in pre after the nit folds. 3-bettor is aggressive and cold-caller is a total monkey. Because this



is clearly not true. JJ/TT can clearly fold and AQ- can clearly call.

AKo is profitable to shove vs. a 5% 3-bet range and with dead money it's profitable to shove vs. a tighter range. Cold-caller most likely has a wider range to call off as well.

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I agree that it's profitble to stack vs a 5% 3b.... But you have to realise that show 3b range differs from his squeeze range. Sample For this is low, and as I'm not sure what the standard is, I'm not comfortable stacking

jchoop said:

I agree that it's profitble to stack vs a 5% 3b.... But you have to realise that show 3b range differs from his squeeze range. Sample For this is low, and as I'm not sure what the standard is, I'm not comfortable stacking

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Work on that. The way this hand played out this is the most obvious AIPF with AK ever.

Looking at the stats you gave, I assumed you flatted in order to backraise/get it in.

jchoop said:

I only flat the opening raise w/ my AK because PFR'er is a nit. this is the correct play and i dont care for comments telling me otherwise. Im concerned with how the hand went after i flatted the initial open.

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meh, if he really is that nitty then we can already assume quite easily villian has a raising range of A,K+ JJ+ in this spot, now flipping at best at the very best(based on your range of hands you think he's raising with) so flatting is bad I'd of thought so folding(lol?) or 4betting are the only options?

As played though, when it gets 3bet pre anyway and Mr.Nit folds, how come stacks are not going in anyway and you flat again being last to act and having a multiway pot with A,K vs 2 people is not going to be the best of spots really.

Id' of assumed this is the easiest squeeze spot ever and just jamming those stacks in?

ramdeebam said:

As played though, when it gets 3bet pre anyway and Mr.Nit folds, how come stacks are not going in

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I dont remember my thought process here, but the flat is because i think he only calls my 4b shove w/ AA KK maybe QQ and AK, whereas if i flat i keep in all those other crappy combos that he squeezes with.

Thinking back on it now, its super lame being in a 3handed 3b pot OOP on basically any board.

jchoop said:

I dont remember my thought process here, but the flat is because i think he only calls my 4b shove w/ AA KK maybe QQ and AK, whereas if i flat i keep in all those other crappy combos that he squeezes with

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All those crappy combos typically have 40% equity preflop and position over you. With the money in the pot at this stage, getting them to fold is a wonderful result.

Sure, when you get called by AA/KK it sucks, but that's most often not going to happen because with card removal effect, there are only 6 combos of those, versus 15 combos of AK/QQ and countless combos of crap.

Backraise preflop, ainec.