$10 NLHE 6-max: AA on KQT flop

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10NL 6-max zoom on pokerstars. Villain is unknown.

BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $29.45
BB: $10.66
UTG: $13.22
MP: $14.91
CO: $11.85

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is SB with A:club: A:diamond:
UTG raises to $0.30, MP calls $0.30, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.30, 2 folds, MP calls $1

Flop: ($3.00) K:club: T:heart: Q:spade: (2 players)
Hero bets $1.80, MP calls $1.80

Turn: ($6.60) 3:heart: (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets $3.15, Hero raises to $26.35 all in

I really didn't know how to approach a flop like this. It was arguably one of the worst flops for my hand, but I thought if I check-shove the turn, I can get called by hands like KJ, QJ and JT. There were so many horrible river cards that could come (basically anything above an 8 was bad for me) that I just wanted to get the money in on the turn and hope for the best. What are your thoughts on this?
 
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I think if you check/shove this turn, you're only getting called by hands that beat you while getting no value from worse hands.

I'd just c/c to showdown here.
 
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Hard to put MP on a range here.

KQs, 1010/JJ, J10s, AJs ? We are slightly ahead of this range so GII can't be too bad. but how accurate is this range vs an unknown?
 
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Hard to put MP on a range here.

KQs, 1010/JJ, J10s, AJs ? We are slightly ahead of this range so GII can't be too bad. but how accurate is this range vs an unknown?

I really wasn't sure if TT/JJ would even be in his range. Don't those hands usually 3bet preflop?

The villain ended up showing up with J9s (he flopped a straight) and I really questioned whether I could have gotten out of this or not.

I was concerned about check-calling the turn for 2 reasons:
1) It showed weakness and would allow the villain to bluff me off my hand. I generally prefer to take the lead in a hand, rather than going into passive mode.
2) There were so many horrible river cards that I didn't want to see.

That was my logic for check-shoving the turn. I'm not sure if it was correct though.
 
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Check/calling or betting flop is fine. But x/jam is pretty bad. So many more combos of hands that beat you are going to call off than the occasional QJs. There aren't even any flush draws.

About your concerns on check-calling:

1) People are not going to fire the last bullet after you've bet and check-called this board texture very often. Your range is pretty strong, and not a lot of people are going to try to make other people fold AA/AK.
2) Nothing you can do. That's poker.

We bet for value or as a bluff. You don't raise to make your decisions easier.
 
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I dont even like the check on the turn, a defensive bet was in order, if he is drawing he would probably just accept what ever you bet. You could keep it small, and keep him from smelling blood. With that awful flop I would have been looking to keep pot small and if villan was betting big after my large PFR, Im ready to fold.
 
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IPlay I think we can be ahead of his flop check-calling range but not his turn GII range. I'm probably betting this turn like half-pot. If we check-call, I think we are left with a lot of tough situations on rivers. If we bet, we might win the hand right there and I think we are less likely to be bluffed on most rivers since we have shown more strength.
 
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Shitty flop for your hand for sure. Flop bet looks good then check/call check/call. You could double barrel I guess but with no reads I don't think it's necessary. Aces turn into bluff catchers here.
 
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Flop bet should be larger. 2.00 or 2.25 is appropriate on the flop. I think id prefer to see check call or bet fold on the turn... Probably check call is better.

I'd put him on Jx because of his half pot bet on the turn. Just get to cheap showdown. Call his turn bet and fold to any river bet more than half pot (depending on what the river card is. Fold to almost any river bet if river is a 9)
 
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Bet turn, vil. can have lots of pr+straight draw hands. As played.. yeah a little deep to go shoving the turn, call and play river. 100bbs would be fine to do this
 
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You turned your hand into a bluff when you have decent showdown value. This reminds me of that other big deep hand you posted where you shoved A A on the turn on a terrible flop.
I suggest you don't get so attached to your AA hands. It's just one pair!
If villain has QQ TT AJ he's loving you.
Here just keep betting sensibly there are two clear streets of value to be had from AK JJ. I'd bet the river as well, if you get raised turn or river then find the fold button.
 
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bigger preflop, it's sb vs utg, it's a 130+BB eff, anyway good reg put u on a strong range & may easy fold AQo, against any size, but if it's fish, they not really much care +/- 5BB, they playing cards, if they want see flop, they'll pay. 18BB preflop wud be good, as it played - chek-call 2 streets, but fold river.
 
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It's so hard to fold AA under any circumstances but we need to learn to do it or it'll lose all its value. It gets beat at least 15% of the time against just about anything so shouldn't be upset when it happens.
Call down to the river on that flop hoping for a J. Worst situation would be making a set on turn/river. That sort of thing blinds you to the reality of how weak a hand you have.
 
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