$10 NLHE 6-max: $ : AA 3 bet caller post flop play

When I get called OTF it always makes little alarms go off vs this type of player. (Calls c bet 17% OTF) He calls Turn 100% so he is only calling c bets when he wants to proceed. I cant give up, but when he calls turn is the river a shove or a c/f or what are you all doing here, and comments on all streets welcome.

poker stars $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players - View hand 1824102
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SB: $3.90 - VPIP: 17, PFR: 16, 3B: 7, AF: 2.8, hands: 851
Hero (BB): $13.03 - VPIP: 19, PFR: 13, 3B: 4, AF: 2.2, Hands: 343666
CO: $13.48 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 1, 3B: 0, AF: 0.8, Hands: 87
BTN: $22.91 - VPIP: 23, PFR: 18, 3B: 5, AF: 2.3, Hands: 119

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with A ♦ A ♥
CO calls $0.10, BTN raises to $0.40, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.10, 1 fold, BTN calls $0.70

Flop: ($2.35) 2 ♥ 8 ♠ Q ♣ (2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, BTN calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.35) Q ♠ (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, BTN calls $3

River: ($11.35) 7 ♠ (2 players)
Hero ???

I'd make it more pre-. I assume any hand that will call 1.10 will call more. So the question is how much more. The HUD numbers aren't much help here, which makes it mainly a matter of your feel for the player based on what you've observed.

With no such feel, I'd probably go for something like 1.20, tripling his bet. If you're going to get three streets of value, you'll be all in either way, but by making it more pre-, you set yourself up to win more when you only get one or two streets.

What's villains fold to 3b stat? What kind of hands does villain defend vs 3bs with?
If he's only calling Cbets OTF 17% that immediately tells me TP+. I agree you should raise more pre. I think betting the turn here is no good when TP repeats, as i mostly have him on AQ, JJ, TT, 99 here. I much prefer betting flop, check turn (call a bet) and if he bet turn c/c riv, if he checked back turn fire river

1.50 pre. Shove the riv. Villain expects you to be restealing wide, and this isnt even a thin value bet. This hand plays itself.

c9h13no3 said:

1.50 pre. Shove the riv. Villain expects you to be restealing wide, and this isnt even a thin value bet. This hand plays itself.

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why is shipping river optimal? seems like we only get called by better..?

jchoop said:

why is shipping river optimal? seems like we only get called by better..?

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Villain thinks we're restealing, and when the Q paired on the turn, he thinks its less likely you have a real hand. I'd expect any decent pair to call, and villain doesn't have much air to bluff with.

c9h13no3 said:

Villain thinks we're restealing, and when the Q paired on the turn, he thinks its less likely you have a real hand. I'd expect any decent pair to call, and villain doesn't have much air to bluff with.

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I suppose, but thats assuming villain has any kind of decent hand. Apart from the Q's board is 8 high. so were really only leaving him with KK JJ TT 99 to call. if he thinks were stealing, hes prob floating the flop. so why not c/c turn and river?
Soz if im missing something really fundamental/stupid, finding this thread very interesting.

C/c river imo.

Call cbet 17%, turn bet 100% is a telling stat. Really points to only calling tp+ on the flop

Kk usually 4bets pre, so heavily discount that. On q high board, given his stats, I discount all the medium pairs too.

You're likely behind imo, c/c's alright, don't like shoving.

Poker_play said:

C/c river imo.

Call cbet 17%, turn bet 100% is a telling stat. Really points to only calling tp+ on the flop

Kk usually 4bets pre, so heavily discount that. On q high board, given his stats, I discount all the medium pairs too.

You're likely behind imo, c/c's alright, don't like shoving.

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thats true. prob shouldnt post while im multitabling lol. feeling even better about my line now

Whatever you do on the river, c/c should be your last option.

Check/calling this river is terrible, as villain rarely has air and almost always has showdown value. If you check/call here, go back to poker 1st grade.

If you think you're behind, then check/fold. But villain should be bluff catching this board & situation quite often, meaning he will call wider than he bets himself.

Thx 4 poker school!

Get out of here w/that range lol.

Further thought, c/c doesn't make as much sense, it's c/f . Please don't spew shove your stack on river hoping he either flatted kk or suddenly decides to call a cbet much lighter than usual.

c9h13no3 said:

Check/calling this river is terrible, as villain rarely has air and almost always has showdown value. If you check/call here, go back to poker 1st grade.

If you think you're behind, then check/fold. But villain should be bluff catching this board & situation quite often, meaning he will call wider than he bets himself.

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villain is rarely calling 99-JJ OTR anyway at 10nl. youre much better to leave his bluff range in

jchoop said:

villain is rarely calling 99-JJ OTR anyway at 10nl. youre much better to leave his bluff range in

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Villain has essentially no bluff range. If you check the river it should be to ch/fold. I also like shoving the river.

Do you guys realize how ridiculous it is to fold AA in a 3-bet pot because you're scared of trips/88? Serious monsters under bed syndrome. That's like half the reason we 3-bet AA, so we don't have to worry about giving a stack to a set or trips because they can't profit from it in the long run.

Ussualy i 3-bet more pre and c-bet harder like 3/4 of the pot. In my opinion is a shove on the river and probabely get payed with worse. I watch through the villains point of view because i was in that situation with JJ and found myself almost calling the river. If i had a AQ, KQ here i would probabely reraised the turn to make the pot bigger so that my opponent on the buluff catching mode cannot fold on the river.

I'd ship it on the river.

yes 3bet more and shove riv.

I bet you check called.

forsakenone said:

yes 3bet more and shove riv.

I bet you check called.

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lol I shoved, he calls and flips over 88.......

fletchdad said:

lol I shoved, he calls and flips over 88.......

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as said by others and me you should have 3bet more. he has to call 70c in 1.6$ and he knows you stack off tons of times when he makes his set because of your tight image and small overall 3bet.

forsakenone said:

as said by others and me you should have 3bet more. he has to call 70c in 1.6$ and he knows you stack off tons of times when he makes his set because of your tight image and small overall 3bet.

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This, raise more and ship it, Q is a terrible barrel card for you so a competent reg should snap call JJ and stuff here. Him calling a 3bet with 88 vs your range is probably a mistake too, now you know he calls pocket pairs, probably lower than 88 too, you should never c-bet once in 3bet pots, 2 (or 3 maybe) or none imo.

Also, not to be "that guy," but people have been saying "well, he only calls 17% cbets OTF, so obv it's TP+."

Except that we only have 119 hands on the villain, so that fold to cbet stat is pretty much always going to be 1/6 = 17% --> not much of a sample. That being said, agree with the overall consensus in here. 3bet bigger, cbet bigger, if you don't feel like you're ahead on the river it's a check/fold. And if you're so sure you're behind on the turn then don't barrel.