$10 NLHE 6-max: A8s in light 3bet pot

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888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 29.27, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, hands: 45)
Hero (BB): 157.3 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 70.8 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 28.26, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 49)
CO: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 22.66, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.32, Hands: 262)
BTN: 95.7 BB (VPIP: 12.77, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8:diamond: A:diamond:

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 3:heart: A:club: Q:diamond:
Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (44.5 BB, 2 players) J:diamond:
Hero checks, CO bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

River: (94.5 BB, 2 players) 6:heart:
Hero checks, CO bets 52.5 BB, fold

CO wins 89.8 BB

He foldet to 3bets 11 out of 11..Thoughts? Thank you guys :)
 
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888 Poker - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 119.8 BB (VPIP: 29.27, PFR: 19.51, 3Bet Preflop: 6.67, Hands: 45)
Hero (BB): 157.3 BB
UTG: 100 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 30.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 23)
MP: 70.8 BB (VPIP: 28.26, PFR: 28.26, 3Bet Preflop: 11.76, Hands: 49)
CO: 99.5 BB (VPIP: 22.66, PFR: 13.73, 3Bet Preflop: 6.32, Hands: 262)
BTN: 95.7 BB (VPIP: 12.77, PFR: 6.38, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 50)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8<font color='red'>♦</font> A<font color='red'>♦</font>

fold, fold, CO raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, CO calls 9 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) 3<font color='red'>♥</font> A<font color='black'>♣</font> Q<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero bets 10 BB, CO calls 10 BB

Turn: (44.5 BB, 2 players) J<font color='red'>♦</font>
Hero checks, CO bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

River: (94.5 BB, 2 players) 6<font color='red'>♥</font>
Hero checks, CO bets 52.5 BB, fold

CO wins 89.8 BB

He foldet to 3bets 11 out of 11..Thoughts? Thank you guys :)


Well, if he folded to 11 3b, he probably has it this time, or he's frustrated and tired of your aggression.

There a few ways to think about it here.... we can just defend with Ad-8d if we want. We don't have to 3b here. It's tough to play OOP.

However, as played, I think turn call is only OK if you know he will pay off on the river, if you hit flush. Cause the price you are getting laid is slightly under 3 to 1. You need 4 to 1 for break even, if he doesn't pay off. He probably pays off something. Like at least another 30 or 40 BB?

My official input is to just defend. Just call pre. We bloated this pot, and he probably has an ace that beats us, or QQ (cause he's probably strong given your 3b reads).

See, if we just call pre, then we C/C the flop, if he checks back turn, we know we probably have him.... and for a lot less than we have stuck in this pot as is. Plus, we give V a chance to get away twice, preflop and on the flop. He's still in there though.

I don't see the need to 3b here.
 
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i like the 3bet if u know villain folds too much pre.

once we go post hitting the ace is always going to be dangerous and we go into showdown mode... soon as we have flush draw things sort of change but not really.

just think how ur gonna make money and make a plan and stick to it. aka making him fold pre is valid ...
 
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I get the 3b, but what's the plan if called? I guess as played you played it pretty well, but I think we must also plan on if dude calls. I just like defending better, but maybe I'm too passive.
 
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the way if play it.. 3bet.
lead flop
check raise turn
check river and see what vills reply is

but my hud shows other stats to help exploit opponent
 
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I get the 3b, but what's the plan if called? I guess as played you played it pretty well, but I think we must also plan on if dude calls. I just like defending better, but maybe I'm too passive.

I would also prefer to just flat pre often times. But in this case, the 3bet shows instant profit (at least the chance ist good, that he folds too much) and his range is easier to read in a 3bet pot imo.

the way if play it.. 3bet.
lead flop
check raise turn
check river and see what vills reply is

but my hud shows other stats to help exploit opponent

Interesting. Why do you prefer check raising the turn? I thought I get nothing better to fold and will often see a shove. And I also see nothing worse calling.
 
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you are preflop aggressor and that board does hit you better than villain most times.

our hand is disguised and id be ready to get stacks in on river when we hit flush.

vill did cold call us which means he cant be 100% happy unless he has sets but that wont be too often and we did underrep our perceived range on flop with that weak bet

just keep an eye on turn folds ... people call flop bets but fold and a lot more honest with their hands on turn... also people react diff to check raises .. i dunno have a loo at peoples stats and exploit :)
 
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Given he folds to most 3bets, his range is also pretty strong. I think QQ, AQ, AJ, QJ (maybe even AA? and sometimes KT) is in his range. And I don't believe he would ever fold one of those hands. He might even push and we have to throw away our flush draw. Against those hands I want to draw cheeply and don't blow the pot. That's why I don't see a raise accomplishing very much. Because if I checkraise and he folds, he probably had a bluff (very unlikely that he ever has a bluff, because he called the flop). And there's no need the get out his bluffs. The only hands I might get value from are KQ and QJ, but those hands should check behind the turn imo.

Where do you think different? :)
 
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people see flush and get scared and lets say ur ace is infront there is so many scare cards on river which stops action.
 
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you are preflop aggressor and that board does hit you better than villain most times.

our hand is disguised and id be ready to get stacks in on river when we hit flush.

vill did cold call us which means he cant be 100% happy unless he has sets but that wont be too often and we did underrep our perceived range on flop with that weak bet

just keep an eye on turn folds ... people call flop bets but fold and a lot more honest with their hands on turn... also people react diff to check raises .. i dunno have a loo at peoples stats and exploit :)

Villain didn't cold call us. He just flatted. AJ and AQ are definitely in his range. Saying that KT isnt so often so I don't think check jamming the turn is awful but it is a high variance route. I think we get called often enough that it probably isnt profitable. At higher stakes against regs, its not so bad for balancing our nut hands.
 
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Turning our hand into a turn bluff is about the worst thing you can do. We attacked preflop because villain is tight, and folds to a lot of 3-bets. Conversely, that means when he calls, he quite often has a big hand. We should be playing cautiously.
 
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When we 3-bet light a CO open from the blinds we want it to be a bluff. Looks to me like you are 3-betting for value and you have none w/ A8s OOP or IP for that matter. Should have just called pre. Now you are OOP with a dominated hand. Everything after the flop should be an attempt to control the pot with your trap hand, which we can't do because we are OOP. Basically there is no this is what you should do as played because we shouldn't be in this spot. Call pre and make the hard fold on the flop. It is spew to c/c flop and c/f turn. Just get out when bet into on flop if V bets into us.
 
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I could comment on the sizing of your bets (typically 10bb is enough for a 3bet... 12bb is unnecessarily large), but in terms of the line you took, I think you played pretty optimally. The turn is close between betting and check-calling... I'm not sure which I prefer.

Overall, nice hand.
 
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