$10 NLHE 6-max: A5s : commited to broken flush draw

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interesting spot.

pokerstars Zoom No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - PokerStars Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com
Hero (Button) ($12.30)
SB ($10.05)
BB ($10.50)
UTG ($14.12)
MP ($37.40)
CO ($15.41)
Preflop: Hero is Button with 5
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, A
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UTG calls $0.10, 1 fold, CO bets $0.45, Hero calls $0.45, 2 folds, UTG calls $0.35
Flop: ($1.50) 8
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, K
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, Q
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(3 players)
UTG bets $1.07, CO calls $1.07, Hero calls $1.07
Turn: ($4.71) 9
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(3 players)
UTG bets $3.37, 1 fold, Hero calls $3.37
River: ($11.45) Q
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(2 players)
UTG checks, Hero ? ill tell you what i did after i find out whats the best play here.
 
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my call on the turn is very bad right?
 
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I would say it would be an alright call pre if you were playing a regular hand, but zoom is a different story. Folding this hand pre would be the right play, but since you played it, folding on the turn is probably correct. If the other player called on the turn I think it would be more justified, but if you don't hit on the river I would think you have to check back or fold no matter what, with the stacks the way they are. I don;t think you have any chance to win the hand on the river, but I could be wrong.
 
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its a bad call pre either way
 
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im less inclined to over a UTG limper at zoom.
 
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I've never played Zoom but an UTG limper is usually just a bad player not Aces.
 
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no i dont mean that, i just mean that someone who limps in a game like zoom has a range that is way less likely to fold than in normal, and is likely to overcall a significant %. and the hands he overcalls will have way more playability and have us dominated often. and its almost impossible for us to ever bet for value without combos or pair+draws.
 
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I'm guessing zoom is like how rush poker was on FT? But anyways I'd fold this PF UTG. Def fold on the turn tho. Let me guess u push on the river to take the pot? :hmmmm:
 
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God damn there's this awful button on my mouse which is so easy to misclick and takes my browser back a page. It's like the designers included it for a laugh. Cba writing a detailed post out again.

Fold pre, Call flop, fold turn, checkback river.
 
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the way things went,i bet 3.75 and hoped it looked like value. he FOLDED. have no clue what he had.
 
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You have to think about someones range and what you fold when you bluff. Alot of villain's check/folding range will be weaker flush draws we beat anyway.
Only hands I can think of that beat us which fold are 8x/9x flush draws and 89.

Meanwhile villain will rarely have complete air when an open limper double barrels in to two villains multiway and his river check does not make him look any weaker as it's a fine spot for fullhouses to check/call but more likely from a villain of open limping caliber is that he's got scared with a straight or top pair.
 
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fold pre but call flop is fine, fold turn. I think he has something similar to you there, an Ax suited hand, a lot of weaker players limp in with those hands ep, he could also have had a small pocket pair
 
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As WVH said, good spot to 3-bet pre.

You didn't give any reads or stats on villain but I'd default to giving up here; 2NL players are going to be checking big hands on the river a lot.
 
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As WVH said, good spot to 3-bet pre.

You didn't give any reads or stats on villain but I'd default to giving up here; 2NL players are going to be checking big hands on the river a lot.

Didnt have any stats on villain . just sat down at table.
 
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fold pre.
You're shitting me right? The implied odds of a low suited Ace are through the roof, especially in a multiway pot. With A5s you have something like a 1 in 8 chance of flopping a draw to the nuts, and a 1 in 12 chance of actually hitting the nuts and stacking everybody.

Turn call was awful. Depending on read I either call and give up the turn or semibluff raise the flop.
 
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God damn there's this awful button on my mouse which is so easy to misclick and takes my browser back a page. It's like the designers included it for a laugh. Cba writing a detailed post out again.

Fold pre, Call flop, fold turn, checkback river.

That happens to me too! Stupid logitech mouse.

Also this is a fold pre, kicker is to weak and likely dominated by higher aces, pocket paires. I would just fold here to the unknown and the fish, just because you hit the nut flush doesn't mean u get payed.
 
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That happens to me too! Stupid logitech mouse.

Also this is a fold pre, kicker is to weak and likely dominated by higher aces, pocket paires. I would just fold here to the unknown and the fish, just because you hit the nut flush doesn't mean u get payed.
I really don't see why almost everyone seems to hate 3betting here? We have an EP limper and a LP isolation. Ranges are likely wide. We have blockers, position, and a decent equity hand if we have to see a flop but mostly we're going to get folds.
 
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That happens to me too! Stupid logitech mouse.

Also this is a fold pre, kicker is to weak and likely dominated by higher aces, pocket paires.
All of which, along with every single other hand on a nonpaired board, are utterly crushed by the nut flush, which we will hit 7% of the time. I mean, if you're gonna spaz out and stack off on a random Ace then don't play that hand, but otherwise you should be easing into every pot with any suited Ace, and esp. a connected one (and especially A5s), let alone in a multiway pot.
 
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I really don't see why almost everyone seems to hate 3betting here? We have an EP limper and a LP isolation. Ranges are likely wide. We have blockers, position, and a decent equity hand if we have to see a flop but mostly we're going to get folds.

I do think 3 betting is fine, however I would rather wait for some stats first, and be sure that the fish doesn't cold call our 3 bet. Just think fold>3 bet(only slightly)>call
 
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But seriously, I'm ****ing flabbergasted. I'd play A5s any day UTG, let alone on the effing button vs two people. You just have so many ways to win it's not even funny. You can:

-Flop heart monotone, stack off random Heart.
-Flop NFD, check, check, semibluff bet, take down pot.
-Flop NFD, bet, call, semibluff shove, take down big pot.
-Flop NFD, bet, call, semibluff shove, random King calls, spike heart or A OTR.
-Flop comes 234, get a ****ton of value vs TT+ or the random top two
-Flop comes down 23 two hearts, stack off on a monster draw.
 
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