$10 NLHE 6-max: Was this a good spot to bluff?

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I decided to take a shot at .05/.10. I've been grinding .01/.02 from $25 and have brought it up to about $106 and change.

I got coolered in .02/.05 for two buy-ins, and then took the shot at the higher stake.

Thankfully, I was successful.

I marked this hand during the session because I wanted to get some outside, unbiased analysis of it.

I really want to know what you guys think of this play.

Here are my thoughts:

In this hand, I three barrel bluff successfully. I did not pick up any equity at any point in the hand. I had previously observed the villain, multiple times, check-call all the way to the river and then fold. He went to showdown 0% of the time when he check-called to the river. I think his range in this hand was 45s, 46s, 56s, 67s, 68s, 78s, 89s, 8Ts, 77, 99, TT, and JJ. Even though it worked, was this a good bluff? Post your thoughts in the comment section.

Even though it worked, was this a good spot to bluff?



If the video doesn't work, then here is the hand:
Winning Poker Network (Yatahay) - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

Hero (CO): $7.80
BTN: $8.82 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, hands: 3)
SB: $12.47 (VPIP: 66.67, PFR: 33.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
BB: $21.13 (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
UTG: $4.77 (VPIP: 33.33, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)
MP: $8.83 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 3)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6♣K♣

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.40, fold, SB raises to $1.30, fold, Hero raises to $2.90, SB calls $1.60

Flop: ($5.90, 2 players) 3♠ 8 Q
SB checks, Hero checks

Turn: ($5.90, 2 players) 5♣
SB checks, Hero bets $2.55, SB calls $2.55

River: ($11.00, 2 players) A♠
SB checks, Hero bets $2.35 and is all-in, fold

Hero wins $10.45

$0.18 was deducted from the pot for the jackpot.
 
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I have two thoughts:

1) You're a huge fish.
2) Come to my poker night?
 
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1. Stick to your BRM and don't play NL10 if your roll doesn't support it.
2. Play with a full stack at the table. Shortstacked players either play MSS or are fish. If you're playing K6s from the CO, you're not playing MSS. Take from that what you will.
3. Fold preflop. Don't open this in the CO.
4. As played, fold preflop to the 3-bet. Re-raising is spew.
5. As played, bet the flop. You can't rep a huge hand preflop and then check this raggy dry flop through.
6. As played, check the turn through. You have nothing, you can rep nothing, you should be giving up.
7. As played, the river is meh. That's a good scare card, but your fold equity is going to be low with less than a quarter-pot bet left. If you wanted to maximize your fold equity, you should have shoved the flop. That would've been close to a pot-sized bet, and given preflop, you can at least rep a strong hand.

This hand is an abomination that should never have happened.
 
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I agree with previous comments.
I don’t mind bluffing river if your read is strong, cheap try.
However, the whole idea of bluffing fish is wrong, getting value with top pair bad kicker is sounder one.
 
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This hand is an abomination that should never have happened.

It's a bit harsh, but in short, he's right.

As i see it at the moment, you're playing with too wide a range.
You got coolered in a lower range, so you moved up, maybe a bit of tilting here (do you normally play that hand)? As played you got incredibly lucky, don't expect this to be good play because it turned out ok.

Bluff size was too small to let him fold something (disadvantage of playing short-stacked). You say you have a history with the villain, is that more than those 3 hands? Based only on that, it's a very dangerous assumption :)
 
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i'd bluff flop personally. As played, yeah I like turn and river.. bet a little smaller on turn tho.

pf is where this hand went really bad though as others have pointed out. reason why 4b is terrible is cuz you have to call it off with your stack size. raise to 30 or 25 too or just fold.
 
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Wow, you guys don't like bluffs huh? Lol.
 
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I agree with previous comments.
I don’t mind bluffing river if your read is strong, cheap try.
However, the whole idea of bluffing fish is wrong, getting value with top pair bad kicker is sounder one.

You're right, I had a read and went with it.

I think the key part of this hand that people are overlooking is that the villain went to showdown 0% of the time when he check-called to the river. If he went to showdown, he was either check-raising or betting.

Also, I don't think the villain was a fish. He would fold in spots he was likely no good, and probably why he folded to my river shove.
 
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Wow, you guys don't like bluffs huh? Lol.
Sure we do. Good ones. Not spew like this. You're lucky that ace came and he folded to your tiny river shove.

You're right, I had a read and went with it.
Bit weird that your hand history said "3 hands played". You get that read from 3 whole hands, of which he played 2???

I think the key part of this hand that people are overlooking is that the villain went to showdown 0% of the time when he check-called to the river. If he went to showdown, he was either check-raising or betting.
Has it ever occured to you that he may have been card-dead, or got a lot of draws, got pot odds to continue but whiffed?

Also, I don't think the villain was a fish. He would fold in spots he was likely no good, and probably why he folded to my river shove.
And what was your plan if the ace didn't come?

What was your plan preflop anyway? You bloat the pot so insanely much with a crap hand, you have a bit less than a pot-sized bet left, you get the raggiest flop imaginable and... you check it through?????
Shoving was the only action that made sense after your preflop spazzing.
And you were going to get a lot more folds that way than you'd get as played.
 
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Sure we do. Good ones. Not spew like this. You're lucky that ace came and he folded to your tiny river shove.

Bit weird that your hand history said "3 hands played". You get that read from 3 whole hands, of which he played 2???

Has it ever occured to you that he may have been card-dead, or got a lot of draws, got pot odds to continue but whiffed?

And what was your plan if the ace didn't come?

What was your plan preflop anyway? You bloat the pot so insanely much with a crap hand, you have a bit less than a pot-sized bet left, you get the raggiest flop imaginable and... you check it through?????
Shoving was the only action that made sense after your preflop spazzing.
And you were going to get a lot more folds that way than you'd get as played.

I'm not sure why it says only 3 hands. I just got PokerTracker, maybe I am viewing it incorrectly.

If Ace didn't come, I give up.


My plan preflop was looking for a fold. I check it because if I actually have a strong hand on that flop, I would check it because any bet is going to get a fold on a flop that dry.

I think shoving the flop gets called by a lot of "bad hands" that are actually ahead. It just looks spewy and at the micro limits people go "well I have jacks here and it's only $4, I call"
 
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We should probably stop tapping the fish tank...
 
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Ignore the mean points of the comments, but more or less they are right. There's a lot of things wrong w/ what you were trying to do. Most of all you put yourself into really bad sizing situations, and you weren't repping any hands. Against better players, you get snapped off a lot here. Against sticky fish, you get called down a lot here.

Just learn from it, and continue to try and evolve your game.
 
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I would suggest a few things.

1. Buyin full, 100bb.
2. Fold this hand preflop.
3. Adjust your preflop sizing downwards, no need to open 4x with any hand here.
4. Don't 4Bet bluff randoms with a hand like this.
 
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If Ace didn't come, I give up.
Nice way to blow 70% of your stack. You do realize that that is a HUGE mistake???

My plan preflop was looking for a fold.
But K6s is such a weak holding. Seriously, you can use this to steal blinds vs nits while OTB, but any earlier and this is just a huge losing hand.
I check it because if I actually have a strong hand on that flop
K-high, no draw? Yes, very strong. WTF?
I would check it because any bet is going to get a fold on a flop that dry.
Exactly! Any Ax or pocket pair or small pair you can get to fold is a win, and frankly with K-high, you want everything you still beat to fold as well in a bloated pot like that. You WANT folds here.
Shove, get lots of folds. At least postflop would be correctly played then.

I think shoving the flop gets called by a lot of "bad hands" that are actually ahead. It just looks spewy and at the micro limits people go "well I have jacks here and it's only $4, I call"
No, it looks like QQ+ since you 4-bet preflop.
Besides, those that go "I have jacks here, I call", those guys aren't folding no matter what you do. You shouldn't be bluffing those guys at all.
And this is exactly why you shouldn't be bluffing K-rag suited preflop in the first place.

We should probably stop tapping the fish tank...
Either he learns from this, or he doesn't, but I'd at least have tried.
 
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