$10 NLHE 6-max: 99 on the btn, ton of callers facing 3bet

Full Tilt - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BB: $11.95
UTG: $8.81
MP: $10.31
CO: $14.30
Hero (BTN): $10.40
SB: $10.00

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has 9:club: 9:spade:

UTG raises to $0.25, MP calls $0.25, fold, Hero calls $0.25, fold, BB raises to $1.30, UTG calls $1.05, MP calls $1.05, Hero

everyone is pretty fishy except the bb who's a 32/30 over 66 hands. He hasn't 3bet yet but only over 7 hands. Am i ok to call here? BB could EASILY be squeezing and with all the callers id feel gross not to at least put in a call.

so many callers i think calling here is fine.

You pretty much need to stack 2 of them to make set mining work here. I'd say you're pretty unlikely to do that and how often are you going to be able to continue after the flop without a set?

WVHillbilly said:

You pretty much need to stack 2 of them to make set mining work here. I'd say you're pretty unlikely to do that and how often are you going to be able to continue after the flop without a set?

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Why? There's $4.30 in the pot already, hero needs to call $1.05, and a set on the flop is a 1/8 event...all he needs is someone calling a pot sized bet when he hits a set to break even

If we hit a set we're guaranteed to win? I mean we never get set over set with 99? No one ever flops a FD/SD and gets there? No one ever misses and folds postflop? If you're set mining for 8 to 1 you're losing money. 15-1 is really the min we should be looking for and 20-1 is the real sweet spot.

If more than 1 person is willing to get all in postflop what types of hands are you expecting to see?

smaller pairs, random KQ/KJ/AQ/AJ/JTs type hands(at least from the fish). I mean I also think it's ok to also put the BB on a lighter range because it looks like a squeeze.

If his range is lighter that's worse for you because you're never going to see anything beyond the flop unless you hit your set and if he's light he's probably not stacking when you do.

You really think if the postflop action goes BB shove that the fish are calling with KJ on a J96 board?

Don't set mine in 3-bet pots /thread

WVHillbilly said:

You really think if the postflop action goes BB shove that the fish are calling with KJ on a J96 board?

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i wouldn't be surprised

c9h13no3 said:

Don't set mine in 3-bet pots /thread

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Never, ever?

Mmmmmm maybe i'm playing pots like this wrong cause i think i would call.Might be a little leak i didn't realize?

c9h13no3 said:

Don't set mine in 3-bet pots /thread

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Surely you don't mean this as absolute advice.

pokerman27 said:

Never, ever?

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Go ahead if you're in position, 160+bb deep with a super bad opponent who won't fold TPTK+ postflop.

bgomez89 said:

smaller pairs, random KQ/KJ/AQ/AJ/JTs type hands(at least from the fish). I mean I also think it's ok to also put the BB on a lighter range because it looks like a squeeze.

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Then shove over his squeeze...

bgomez8: oh I dont think he is squeezing that light

Then fold...

WVHillbilly said:

Go ahead if you're in position, 160+bb deep with a super bad opponent who won't fold TPTK+ postflop.

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The exception proves the rule.

c9h13no3 said:

The exception proves the rule.

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Exactly.

I'm shoving this before I'm folding pre.

as for setmining, yeah, I actually do think it's pretty likely we can stack 2 on a J96 board.

baudib1 said:

I'm shoving this before I'm folding pre.

as for setmining, yeah, I actually do think it's pretty likely we can stack 2 on a J96 board.

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You hate money?

WVHillbilly said:

You hate money?

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99 has ~33% equity vs. JJ+, AKo, AKs and ~35% equity vs. QQ+, AKo, AKs (and he folds more if his range is narrower), and there's like 45 BBs in the pot, so it's not completely unreasonable


(additionally: 26% vs two players with ranges of QQ+, AKo, AKs)

Fold, no point in set mining with 3+ people in the pot. If you don't hit your set, then what? Wasting money.

Siao said:

Fold, no point in set mining with 3+ people in the pot. If you don't hit your set, then what? Wasting money.

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3+ people in the pot is exactly when you are supposed to setmine...DUCY?

vanquish said:

99 has ~33% equity vs. JJ+, AKo, AKs and ~35% equity vs. QQ+, AKo, AKs (and he folds more if his range is narrower), and there's like 45 BBs in the pot, so it's not completely unreasonable


(additionally: 26% vs two players with ranges of QQ+, AKo, AKs)

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It's a classic squeeze by what seems to be a pretty aggro player in the BB. I think it's absurd to put either BB or UTG on that type of range. Are YOU flatting QQ+/AK with this many behind you? There's a high likelihood either BB or UTG will fold and a non-zero chance one will show up with a smaller pair or fold TT.

No one is going to fold TP in a pot this big so I'm OK with just calling, too.

baudib1 said:

It's a classic squeeze by what seems to be a pretty aggro player in the BB. I think it's absurd to put either BB or UTG on that type of range. Are YOU flatting QQ+/AK with this many behind you? There's a high likelihood either BB or UTG will fold and a non-zero chance one will show up with a smaller pair or fold TT.

No one is going to fold TP in a pot this big so I'm OK with just calling, too.

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if we're talking about jamming pre, that's almost certainly their range for calling if we jam (which is good for us, because that means they're folding preflop a huge % of the time), with maybe some combos of AQ or TT or retarded hands like K9s (this is 5nl afterall).


so its jam > fold > call as played, imo



also the "are YOU doing xyz?" argument is pretty worthless because i don't play 5nl and almost everyone posting ITT is like 10x better at poker than 99% of people at 5nl, so assuming that they're playing the same way as me or WVH or whoever isn't going to amount to much. it's like when people say "you would never flat AA in the BB to the BTN's raise, right? that would be the worst play ever" -- it doesn't mean that idiots that play 2nl or 5nl or whatever won't do it

PattyR said:

3+ people in the pot is exactly when you are supposed to setmine...DUCY?

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Its not a great setmining opportunity.

This situation dosent play like a normal raised pot where there are 3 callers.

The key info is UTG flats the 3bet in a 3bet pot and so does MP.. dont expect them to play for stacks unless they hit sets or very big draws.

The 3bet reduces implied odds and the fact that BB may or not be squeezing means that we are uncertain if he wants to play for stacks postflop.. even if he has a hand like AA the fact that there were 3 callers may make him think twice about stacking off in a MW pot with it. In a MW pot you not folding to a flop cbet looks exactly like what it is .. A set.

So your playing a pot where implied odds are reduced due to both the raise size and the information you give up when you hit.

HU you could be playing back with weaker but who flats this 3bet with a PP or a weak ace and then tries to bluff? That fact should cool down BB's betting postflop, because even a 1/2 pot cbet here is BIG and people not folding to big bets in MW pot looks very very strong.

Vanquish its 10nl Fwiw