$10 NLHE 6-max: 56s in BB vs a high steal% BTN

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Merge $10.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players - View hand 1634424
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Hero (BB): $12.51
UTG: $11.15
CO: $18.44
BTN: $10.28 25/17/4 --steal on BTN 55%f cbet 90%--t cbet 100% 225 hands
SB: $19.04

Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with 5 :diamond: 6 :diamond:
2 folds, BTN raises to $0.35, 1 fold, Hero calls $0.25

Flop: ($0.75) 5 :club: 9 :spade: K :diamond: (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $0.50, Hero calls $0.50

Turn: ($1.75) A :spade: (2 players)
Hero?
Ok there is merit in just folding pre i know.With his double barrel so high i believe if i hit i can make it worth while.When flop comes i change my mind to take it away on the turn or the river.When the Ace hit the turn i think it is the best card to pick up the dead money.Should i donk here and rep or go for the c\r to try to get another bet out of villain?If i go for c\r and villain checks behind with some weird 9 or 66-JJ i feel retarded.
 
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there is merit in just folding pre
 
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Fold pre > 3-bet pre > call pre

Check/Raise flop > Check/Call flop > donk bet flop > check/fold flop
 
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Like i said i think folding prob is one of the best options pre.But 3betting pre is ehhh imo i raise air out(which is most of his range).I see you would end it on the flop c9.Do you not want to try to get another bet out of this guy on the turn given his tendencies?
Edit: turn sample size was 6 for 6 betting the turn
 
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But 3betting pre is ehhh imo i raise air out
Your hand is almost worse than air.


Do you not want to try to get another bet out of this guy on the turn given his tendencies?
Your hand is not good, its barely worth 1 bet here. You want to bluff when his range is the widest, and that's preflop & on the flop. My plan for the hand in no way is to showdown a pair of 5's.
 
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Your hand is almost worse than air.


Your hand is not good, its barely worth 1 bet here. You want to bluff when his range is the widest, and that's preflop & on the flop. My plan for the hand in no way is to showdown a pair of 5's.
No i don't want to get to showdown i'm talking about c/r the turn to get another bet in.
 
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Like i said i think folding prob is one of the best options pre.But 3betting pre is ehhh imo i raise air out(which is most of his range).
uh, yeah but his air is better than your hand...
 
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No i don't want to get to showdown i'm talking about c/r the turn to get another bet in.
When he bets the turn, his hand range improves. Also, your hand generally sucks, and most turn cards will make your hand's value worse. So yeah, you decrease your equity & likelyhood that the bluff will work by waiting until the turn.
 
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This is way to fancy for 10nl man, keep it simple!
 
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Against this guy you want to 3-bet wide heavily weighted toward air. 65s could be a part of that range or you could just fold it.
 
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I'd 3-bet it pre. Surprised so many people like folding.
 
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BTW fold to 3bets 50% 3 out 6
 
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Because you magically know he folds to 3bets? Must have missed that in the OP.

No but readless I expect him to call pre a decent % of the time and I can just take it down on the flop enough to justify it. I don't like calling here and I don't like folding so 3-betting seems best way to go forward.
 
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Because I don't like folding a hand that I can play with +ev. Also being a competant player only helps our cause. Presuming OP hasn't manically 3-bet he will see us 3-bet OOP and give us way more credit than we deserve.
 
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Man people go crazy defending that 1 bb they originally put in....
 
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Hey JOE, quick question that might not seem relevant, but is 3.5x BB a standard BTN opener from him? Seems like a large raise for a steal attempt from a "competent" player.

I see most steals coming as 2-3xBB with anything higher being less of a steal and an actual raise. Could be just total randomness though at these stakes.

Large raises like that from the BTN means they aren't getting 3bet from that spot very often IMHO.
 
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I think you have absolutely tried to get too tricky here with a really marginal hand.

Against this type of loose barreling player I think you are far better off flatting high card hands that can make good TP type hands post flop and then just let him bet himself to death. 56s offers you nothing but ultra weak draws which will only be +ev if you can utilize a lot of fold equity (which I don't think you have). I also think that your 3b bluff hands can be a lot stringer than this, like Ax type hands that hit flops a bit better.

If you really must play this hand I think c9's little chart outlines your potential options the best. You want to win a small pot here, not bluff at a big one, with zero equity.
 
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Just fold pre. Took me a shit load of hands and money for me to realise people at 10NL won't fold, don't play trickily and this doing stuff like this HH is just burning money.
You don't need to get tricky.
Rarely 3bet against BTN imo, only value hands. Keep 3betting for when SB raises so you have position for the rest of the hand. Trust me this is a leak and I have played a lot of hands like the ones you have above. Ever wondered why there are supernova's at 10NL.. because they can play super straight forward at 10NL and still make a profit due to the poor adjustment from villains.

Anyway folding >>> 3betting >> calling.
 
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I think you have absolutely tried to get too tricky here with a really marginal hand.

Against this type of loose barreling player I think you are far better off flatting high card hands that can make good TP type hands post flop and then just let him bet himself to death. 56s offers you nothing but ultra weak draws which will only be +ev if you can utilize a lot of fold equity (which I don't think you have). I also think that your 3b bluff hands can be a lot stringer than this, like Ax type hands that hit flops a bit better.

If you really must play this hand I think c9's little chart outlines your potential options the best. You want to win a small pot here, not bluff at a big one, with zero equity.

I'd 3-bet strong aces for value and fold weak aces because they play like shit in 3-bet pots. I much prefer 3-betting polarised in this spot just because I can bluff alot of high cards and I can semi bluff FD and SD.
 
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I'd 3-bet strong aces for value and fold weak aces because they play like shit in 3-bet pots. I much prefer 3-betting polarised in this spot just because I can bluff alot of high cards and I can semi bluff FD and SD.

Disagree. 3betting A2-A5s is a good idea to include in your bluff range imo. Gives him less combo's of Ax, that has you beat and can barrel a lot of flops and turns when we hit flush and/or straight draws.
Imagine having a bluff range of 22-77 instead, if we miss our set on the flop we are pretty much barrelling flop and turn with air, 5% equity and life sucks for us.
 
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Maybe I played them bad then because my db showed a profit for 3-bet suited connecters from LP openers but stuff like A4 (suited and offsuit) was -ev and I was often put in shit spots where I had to make crying calls and crying folds so I dropped them from my 3-bet range.
 
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