$10 NLHE 6-max: 53s in the BB checking after limp.

Aces2w1n

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PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $11.99 (VPIP: 22.22, PFR: 20.99, 3Bet Preflop: 8.82, hands: 84)
Hero (BB): $14.38
UTG: $10.15 (VPIP: 21.99, PFR: 17.64, 3Bet Preflop: 6.51, Hands: 829)
CO: $10.00 (VPIP: 24.26, PFR: 17.84, 3Bet Preflop: 7.05, Hands: 810)
BTN: $6.20 (VPIP: 22.86, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 9.09, Hands: 37)

SB posts SB $0.05, Hero posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 5:diamond: 3:diamond:

fold, fold, fold, SB raises to $0.30, Hero calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.60, 2 players) 3:club: 3:heart: 4:heart:
SB bets $0.30, Hero calls $0.30

Turn: ($1.20, 2 players) K:club:
SB bets $0.80, Hero raises to $2.45, SB raises to $11.39 and is all-in Hero????




Thoughts?
 
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Pre flop just pitch this, we are tangling with a solid reg. Theres no need to tangle with regs at 10NL, there's soooo many fish. Flatting here is almost definitely a losing play longterm.

As played its a tough spot. We are crushed by only really A3, 44, KK.

My gut instinct was to just snap, if he has it he has it.

After some more thought though I decided to run it through stove as wasnt sure. Problem is villain takes this line with what else?

AA, AK maybe, KQcc/hh maybe

Against that range (KK+,44,AKs,A3s,KcQc,KhQh,AKo,A3o) we are just over 60% so its a clear call getting almost 2:1. (inc KQhh/cc actually only changes it by about half a %)

If we remove AK and KQcc/hh however we are only like 40%.

Either way calling is still correct I guess, but I'd expect to be beat quite a bit.



Also what is with the checking after limp in the title?


Edit: I'd have left that table too, your sat at a table of regs, or atleast decent players, go find a fish.
 
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Okay so calling was fine and just getting it in?

I mean we just checked behind cuz we were in BB and didn't want to put ourselves into any bad situations.

When he did make this move I thought 2 things.

1. Hmmm stars hates me... he could have KK

2. deeper thought was only 44 and KK beat me. Lets get it in.

Now after it what I didn't think was.

3. My range probably could easily consist of a 3.

4. He is a solid reg? But really 44 and KK is it really too tight to put him on that? He could have AA and Kx hands.

5. My range is capped as well so he could also think his Kx hands are much stronger than mine or I would've 3bet KJ+ KQ so he could've valued that in.
 
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Okay so calling was fine and just getting it in?

I mean we just checked behind cuz we were in BB and didn't want to put ourselves into any bad situations.

When he did make this move I thought 2 things.

1. Hmmm stars hates me... he could have KK

2. deeper thought was only 44 and KK beat me. Lets get it in.

Now after it what I didn't think was.

3. My range probably could easily consist of a 3.

4. He is a solid reg? But really 44 and KK is it really too tight to put him on that? He could have AA and Kx hands.

5. My range is capped as well so he could also think his Kx hands are much stronger than mine or I would've 3bet KJ+ KQ so he could've valued that in.

You didnt check behind, you called his raise. If you didnt want to be in a bad/losing situation... fold.

I dont think he is shoveling KQ/KJ in, without the redraw to the flush atleast and even then he probably flats your raise. He cant guarantee you would be 3betting the weaker Kx hands and he loses value from your bluffs, which is pretty much what they beat. Its pretty much AA, KK, 44, A3, AK. You probably don't have that many 3's in your range either though (obviously you do, but from reg viewpoint) and Kx, 44 + some bluffs make up most of your range, so he can ship AA, AK. If he never ships these we are pretty much dead.

I am presuming he had 44/KK at showdown?
 
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i'd like 3bet this hand BB vs SB, but u didn't. why u raise turn? it look's like more stronger, than it is, found much value from KQ? if u didn't 3bet it & hit a little trips, so call flop, call turn & maybe call some rivers, cause much reg's will triple barrel this board. ok, he play's bet-shove turn, it never KK/44/K3, it cud be some hand's like T3, Q3, if he is smart, if he not - AA, AK, easy, maybe draws like A2s, i have no correct decision after raising turn. as an option raise-reraise-ai on flop)
 
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He had 44 to my suprise.. setup hand
 
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I can't see him doing this with anything other than 44/KK/AA/AK, or maybe a strong flush draw semi-bluff.

There are so many more combinations of AA and AK, that we're still a 71% favourite here.
And if I take out AKo (only leaving in AKs), we're still a 57% favourite.
If I reduce AKs further to only AhKh, then we're at 51%.
But if we start adding more KhXh combinations, our odds go up again.

Call.


And then river the last 3, just to be safe. :p


Edit:
He had 44 to my suprise.. setup hand
Variance is a bitch. Just curse and play the next hand.
 
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fold.. You can think he have A3 or K3 or Pocket 4 .. You should not took your all money in one but that you dont wanted to play bet played it forcely..
 
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Whoops, yeah, A4 (especially Ah4h) and A3 are also within his range.
Makes us a slight underdog. But with the money in the pot, I'd still say this is a call.

It's HU: people tend to get their aggro on. :)
 
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3-bet or fold pre. As played, turn should be a fold. He's not 3-betting the turn without the nuts.
 
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Been said, but just fold pre. Flatting here is going to be a losing play, in the short and long run.

I am thinking just call the turn as well, to keep the pot small, since we are vs a player who does not - so far anyway - have spewy stats. A raise here will fold out worse very much of the time, and put you in the position you found yourself in

And, the point was brought up about the title. It is wrong, and misleading. You called a bet, no limping or checking here.
 
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turn at 10NL is a call if u ask me. AK and AA play it this way all the time. KK too but i think u can get paid by ak here.
 
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