$10 NLHE 6-max: 3Bet pot OOP with overpair vs 4-tabling reg

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pokerstars - $0.10 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
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BTN: 159.1 BB (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, hands: 1)
SB: 98.4 BB
Hero (BB): 291.5 BB
UTG: 101.3 BB (VPIP: -, PFR: -, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 1)
MP: 100 BB
CO: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 50.00, PFR: 50.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Kc Ks
fold, MP raises to 3 BB, CO calls 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero raises to 13 BB, fold, CO calls 10 BB

Flop : (29.5 BB, 2 players) 5c 7h 4c
Hero bets 18.6 BB, CO calls 18.6 BB

Turn : (66.7 BB, 2 players) Js
Hero?


My thoughts are that I should either X/F or Jam here. A jam puts him in a tough spot with 88/99/TT where he might call, 66 probably calls. He can have every set here, jacks being the most likely given the PF action.

Thoughts?
 
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continue to bet for value here. Vills an unknown and well we need to keep betting until he gives us a reason not to... opponents will raise you on turn a lot if behind.

squeeze pre i wouldve done 1.30-1.80 since we have horrible position throughout the hand.


AP bet turn and bet river.. still QQ will call a sticky TT. Jx hands and some missed draws may bluff as well.

can always opt to check river and induce bluffs as well.

biggest prob here is position and villain is unknown
 
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Lol don't play zoom if you don't like spots with no reads. I have been talking with my coach about this, it just doesn't make any sense for someone who has been playing the game for quite a while to lose their edge in player reads. You'd be better off mass tabling reg 6 hand tables, stacked, so it plays like zoom but you still have the HUD reads
Yeah so with no reads you have to count the combos and decide, I reckon 44 55 66 77 88 99 TT JJ QQ AA are all possible here in which case you have 60% equity which on combos alone makes it a clear bet. Throw in a other flush draws and its even more of a bet.
The problem is the stack sizes because its a raised pot, jamming is an option but high variance, check folding is not an option on the combo count.
Id make it 30-35bb and probably fold to a raise. If he just calls I am never folding this hand
 
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Lol don't play zoom if you don't like spots with no reads. I have been talking with my coach about this, it just doesn't make any sense for someone who has been playing the game for quite a while to lose their edge in player reads. You'd be better off mass tabling reg 6 hand tables, stacked, so it plays like zoom but you still have the HUD reads
Yeah so with no reads you have to count the combos and decide, I reckon 44 55 66 77 88 99 TT JJ QQ AA are all possible here in which case you have 60% equity which on combos alone makes it a clear bet. Throw in a other flush draws and its even more of a bet.
The problem is the stack sizes because its a raised pot, jamming is an option but high variance, check folding is not an option on the combo count.
Id make it 30-35bb and probably fold to a raise. If he just calls I am never folding this hand


What about a check/jam?
 
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What about a check/jam?
Thats assuming he's going to bet though. I would think it likely that he would check a lot of the middling pairs that we beat and bet his strong hands for value. If we check the turn I think we miss some value in the hand.
If he checks it back and another over card arrives higher than his pair it's going to kill your action. I'm really only happy seeing 2 4 5 7 K
 
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Check jamming is FPS. Most players are not going to bet their draws on the turn in a 3 bet pot and are going to take the free card.

Bet turn and probably check most rivers
 
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Fancy play syndrome

Should also note if villain is a multi tabling ref he is more likely to make simple decisions and get to showdown in a bloated pot. If we want to play this hand better we bet the flop large enough to set up a PSB to jam on the turn. I think betting flop for ~23bbs would accomplish that. Sorry if written sloppy, posting on mobile
 
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. If we want to play this hand better we bet the flop large enough to set up a PSB to jam on the turn. I think betting flop for ~23bbs would accomplish that.


I agree with this. Sometimes if we don't get their whole stack with a big hand like this it feels like we've failed somehow, but the fact is that not every villain is stacking off with 99 here to us even though we feel like they should.

I agree that check/jam is Fps and gives villain a chance at a free card to make a flush or straight.
 
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i played live lastnight similar hand and i jammed on turn and got looked up with AJ
 
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Hey - you are back! :)

- Squeeze bigger pre for maybe 15BB
- Bigger bet on flop around 24BB
- Bet turn (half pot) for value and maybe fold to raise

I don't like jamming turn as you will fold out hands that you beat that will call a turn bet. Also don't like checking as villain may check behind for free card. Hate check folding!
 
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