$10 NLHE 6-max: 3bet pot multiway AQ on AKTss flop

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I 3bet squeeze AQ from sb and get 3 callers.

Flop is AKTss

I cbet a bit under 1/2 pot

Villian (original raiser from UTG) jams 100bb with 2 players left to act, they both fold.

I think villians mostly weighted toward AK and TT but he was playing kind of wild so he could have some pair+draws and I don't put it past him to show up with QJ either.

The jam instead of a normal size raise could be made hand afraid of a flush or 4straight turn... or semibluff jam.
 
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Probably a fold but we need more info such as stack sizes, and raise sizes? I'm not sure if I am even betting this flop because AQ is pretty weak here and we are in terrible position.
 
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Everyone was about 100bb deep. My flop cbet might have been closer to 1/3 than 1/2. Villians flop jam was like the equivalent of a 4 or 5x raise. I think he could have made a small raise leaving a half pot shove on the turn more or less.

Are you considering check folding AQ on AKT in a 3bet pot? I can see a point for it because 3way but the table was pretty loose/bad. I wouldn't have been surprised to see some complete junk in their range and I don't see them folding any pair+draw, QK,QT,JT,KJ,AJ are all hands I can valuebet against let alone A6o or whatever.

I agree it's definitely a gross spot though, which is why I bet small. Basically hoping to set my own price and just get calls because I didn't want to check/call a 2/3 or pot size bet...

I folded btw so no results.
 
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If I check I am always calling a bet but if I check and UTG bets and some one else ships it I am probably folding.

Aren't you getting like like 4 to 1 or better in this spot though? Only need to be good 20%? If so you might need to call because a J is 4 outs so we have 16% equity to the nuts and we should have another 4% somewhere? Depending on what cards are spades villain can show up with AsQs or KsQs? Just need more info and just speculating and kind of making assumptions on your squeeze sizing so I might be off. Either way if its +EV it is probably not by much
 
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If UTG raises, then I'm just calling AQ in the SB, unless UTG is a total monkey. "Kind of wild" sounds like he's aggro and somewhat loose, but probably knows more or less what he's doing?
I'm not 3-betting here.

As played, I think this is a fold. Plenty of two-pairs, sets, straights, flush draws (possibly even top pair with the same kicker) that hit this board. If we're ahead, it's not by much, and if we're behind, we're potentially looking at a 3-outer. We don't have the odds for that.

Does our hand block a flush card, btw? If we have the As, that could change things somewhat.
 
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Its instant fold .. those hands we dominate now have us crushed
 
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If you call what are hoping to see? AJ, Ax, JJ, another low pair, a flush draw?

What are you hoping you don't see AA, AK, AT, KK, QQ, TT, QJ?

Why would the villain push and not raise? There were two players behind him and he likely wants to isolate you. I think you have to fold. You may be slightly ahead or way behind. If the guy is truly agro and you show him you can fold, you'll likely get another chance with a better hand.
 
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I didn't see any questions in your post.

Are you asking what your opponents range is? Because otherwise you can just punch it into an equity calc and get your answer. I'd just be clear when you post what info you want to discuss because this hand is pretty straight forward otherwise.
 
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If you call what are hoping to see? AJ, Ax, JJ, another low pair, a flush draw?

Theres a decent subset of hands he could have where we have the 25% equity needed. Pair + flush draw or a random worse pair+gutshot would be ideal.

Since the clown above wanted an explicit question, I guess the question is whether we can actually put these types of hands in villains range.
 
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Betting and check-folding both suck. The SPR is almost 1 and we have TPGK with a gutshot. But against a reasonable stack-off range or calling range, we are way behind. I'd probably check-fold or maybe check-jam depending on reads, leaning towards check-fold unless they bet super small. It's a 4-way pot, and I don't think people are going to bet TPNK or a hand worse than AQ, or be bluffing too often.
 
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http://www.propokertools.com/simula...=AK,+AJ,+AT,+QJ,+TT,+KT,+KQ,+AJ,+QT&s=generic

Because you didn't put suits into the equation I couldn't give you the perfect simulation but your hand against your perceived range of what he has plus what you have = fairly close to a flip.

So, with that being said, go on your read. I'd fold.

I excluded AA-JJ from this because AA/KK would probably 4bet your 3bet preflop, and QQ/JJ would fold on this board %95 of the time anyway.
 
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I'd fold AQ 'cause feel weak on SB and BB also, so bad positions, flop dangerous... and UTG raises - no chance from this spot.
 
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I think our AQ is not that strong for a call.

At this point, I thought hes ahead and bet big afraid of flushes and straight draws.
 
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