Originally Posted by acky100
Yes jc, we will always get one. Thread is totally laughable to be honest, 99 is such a good hand to have in our calling range, zomg wont hit set gotta turn it into a bluff. good game CC
Strong analysis here. Based on facts and experience. (Seriously, did you say anything in that post that meant ANYTHING?)
In the past few months, I've been meaning to make a big thread explaining in detail why Acky's philosophy on 3-betting (using lots of blockers, relying too much on preflop equity) is exceptionally wrong. Mostly because I've been a dick everytime you post some silly 3-betting advice, and I should probably back it up with more info. But then you guys make posts like this, and I'm just like "why the **** should I explain anything to these guys?"
Here's the short version:
1) Postflop playability matters far more than combinatorics and equity preflop when you're 3-betting, especially out of position. You are going to get called very frequently OOP, and it is much easier to play a hand like 67s than A4o in a 3-bet pot, even though A4o has more preflop equity and will get a few more folds. If you're 4-bet bluffing, fine, use tons of blockers and don't give a shit about how your hand plays postflop. But in a 3-bet pot, you're going to be called often, and how your hand plays matters a lot. There are still 170ish bb's to be won or lost after a 3-bet.
2) By flatting 99, you're assuming that you can make more from playing 2nd pair OOP than by 3-betting & fit/folding, getting his admittedly TAG range to ship you the pot a majority of the time. It just seems crazy that anyone would think they can play 2nd pair profitably in a spot like this. Run a filter for 2nd pair at showdown and see what your winrate is. It ain't good. My hold'em manager is long past installed, but it should be a pretty simple filter to run.
3) This spot is exceedingly easy to play when you 3-bet. If called, you assume a strong range. You don't stack flops where you have an overpair, you ship sets, and you c-bet the usual dry boards and stay away from the KQX type stuff.
So yeah, we're arguing over 2 plans for the hand:
A) My plan. 3-bet, give up easily unless you flop a set.
B) Your plan. Flat, planning to blindly call down on any flop where we have 2nd pair or better, and hope they're bluffing as much or more money than they're value betting. Hope that flopping sets can even out the times that you have to check/fold.
Yeah, which plan do you like?