$10 NLHE 6-max: 3-bet called PF; we're in the SB

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$10 NL HE 6-max: 3-bet called PF; we're in the SB

Full Tilt, $0.05/$0.10 NL Hold'em Cash Game, 5 Players
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CO: $10.98 (109.8 bb)
BTN: $16.49 (164.9 bb)
Hero (SB): $10.05 (100.5 bb)
BB: $6.05 (60.5 bb)
MP: $3 (30 bb)

Pre-Flop: Hero is SB with K
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K
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MP posts BB out of position, MP checks, CO folds, BTN raises to $0.50, Hero raises to $2, 2 folds, BTN calls $1.50

Flop: ($4.20) Q
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Q
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J
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(2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $2, Hero....

So Villian is 47/25/2 after close to 50 hands
ATS 46%

I wasn't that happy w/ the flop and felt like I had no plan for the hand; not sure if a bet or check is better here OOP.

Anyway what would your plan be for the hand?

side question... should I have 3bet more PF?
 
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I'm ok w the 3bet size.

I actually don't mind this flop. We've got a guy calling a 3bet in position - probably an Ax or a medium pair. On a paired board, I generally don't worry too much about Qx hands.

I cbet the flop (esp oop) and shove over the top of any raise as my default against this villain - if I only have two outs or am drawing dead to AA, so be it. Flush draws, Jx hands, maybe TT/99, maybe AK/AT/KT/T9 hands will frequently call (I don't know what calls a 3bet pf from this villain at 10nl, not sure if AT/KT/T9 are in his range). Obviously Qx, JJ, and AA will call.

As played, I think I'm calling rather than raising planning to ch/r a non-diamond/non JT turn. Raising here looks really strong (looks like AQ/KQ or JJ I think), so all the hands we're ahead of aren't as likely to call, and all the hands we're behind will obviously call. But there are so many cards that will kill action on the turn, I'm not sure about this.

But I'm not folding here - his range is pretty wide to make that flop bet in position after Hero checks.
 
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Maybe make your preflop 3bet $3 here.. I don’t like the check here even if you’re oop, if you bet, it puts the pressure on him and doesn’t give him a chance to steal and take down the pot there .. You bet out with pocket kings in that spot no matter the flop really imo and get it in if you’re reraised.
 
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I'm ok w the 3bet size.

I actually don't mind this flop. We've got a guy calling a 3bet in position - probably an Ax or a medium pair. On a paired board, I generally don't worry too much about Qx hands.

I cbet the flop (esp oop)

Just wondering if most people c-bet OOP more often and why.

I'm assuming it has something to do with giving me initiative in the hand by extracting value from worse hands that come along, whereas if I check it leaves me a little lost in the hand and allows him to check behind w/ worse.

As played, I think I'm calling rather than raising planning to ch/r a non-diamond/non JT turn. Raising here looks really strong (looks like AQ/KQ or JJ I think), so all the hands we're ahead of aren't as likely to call, and all the hands we're behind will obviously call. But there are so many cards that will kill action on the turn, I'm not sure about this.

This is the road I took.
 
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Just wondering if most people c-bet OOP more often and why.

I'm assuming it has something to do with giving me initiative in the hand by extracting value from worse hands that come along, whereas if I check it leaves me a little lost in the hand and allows him to check behind w/ worse.

Yeah, definitely don't want him checking behind, we lose value and the board is wet - plus you're expected to cbet whether you have anything or not, so Villain could read you as possibly having AK, AT, or a smaller pair and could call w a pretty wide range to see what you're going to do on the turn, esp w a draw. If he can't call your cbet (say w 22-55), you probably won't get value anywhere no matter what you do (if he's betting behind you on this hand, he'll almost certainly call a flop cbet).

Obviously you're supposed to mix your cbets to disguise whether you're strong or weak (i.e., sometimes you're supposed to not cbet w your strong hands as well as your weak hands), but at 10nl this kind of balancing isn't important.
 
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