$10 NLHE 6-max: 2nd pair bluff or showdown value ?

c9h13no3

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1) Hand replayers are dumb. Just post the hand.
2) You just made him fold a hand you beat on the river. You bet ~$7 into $16, nothing with any showdown value is folding. Just check back so you don't donate $7 to AJ/TT.
3) There's an argument to be made for checking the flop, since most of his over cards won't call a flop bet and you're often getting check/raised by a monster that called your 3-bet preflop OOP. The best play is probably checking, but if this player is a fish, I'm good with the c-bet.
4) No reads?
 
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1) Hand replayers are dumb. Just post the hand.
2) You just made him fold a hand you beat on the river. You bet ~$7 into $16, nothing with any showdown value is folding. Just check back so you don't donate $7 to AJ/TT.
3) There's an argument to be made for checking the flop, since most of his over cards won't call a flop bet and you're often getting check/raised by a monster that called your 3-bet preflop OOP. The best play is probably checking, but if this player is a fish, I'm good with the c-bet.
4) No reads?

Why check flop if I had 2nd pair plus nuts flush draw ? no value cbet ? since his check/raise 4x was an total air
 
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C-betting flop because you have 2nd pair plus nut flush draw is not a valid reason to bet. We bet only for value (to get worse hands to call) or as a bluff (to get better hands to fold). You only bet here if you think your opponent calls with worse, like two whiffed broadways or some worse pair/PP. Most people give up and fold OOP with whiffed broadways other than AK here. And he can't really call with that many flush draws (a worse hand) because you have the Ah. And by betting here, you're taking away his chance to bluff on the turn/river with air.

Jamming river is not that great. He's pretty much pot committed, so he'll call with any decent hand with SDV. You probably made him fold air.
 
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Why check flop if I had 2nd pair plus nuts flush draw ? no value cbet ? since his check/raise 4x was an total air
Nothing worse calls your c-bet, so there's no value in betting. And nothing worse folds, so you can't bluff. Plus, your opponent has just called a 3-bet out of position, so he's looking pretty strong & trappy at the moment. Seems like a great spot to check back and draw for free, plus induce bluffs from AK type hands that are drawing to 2-3 outs against you.
 
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Nothing worse calls your c-bet, so there's no value in betting. And nothing worse folds, so you can't bluff. Plus, your opponent has just called a 3-bet out of position, so he's looking pretty strong & trappy at the moment. Seems like a great spot to check back and draw for free, plus induce bluffs from AK type hands that are drawing to 2-3 outs against you.

C-betting flop because you have 2nd pair plus nut flush draw is not a valid reason to bet. We bet only for value (to get worse hands to call) or as a bluff (to get better hands to fold). You only bet here if you think your opponent calls with worse, like two whiffed broadways or some worse pair/PP. Most people give up and fold OOP with whiffed broadways other than AK here. And he can't really call with that many flush draws (a worse hand) because you have the Ah. And by betting here, you're taking away his chance to bluff on the turn/river with air.

Jamming river is not that great. He's pretty much pot committed, so he'll call with any decent hand with SDV. You probably made him fold air.

Thank you both for feedback! Its nice posting hands and see another views :)
 
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