$10 NLHE 6-max: 10NL QQ 4bet

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villain: 15/10/ 3bet 9.8/ 107hands / call 3bet 100%
on the river we have $5.90 behind
I decided to c/c on flop because I thought he would take a stab with hands that missed / check back with Ax.

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BB ($22.41)
UTG ($10)
MP ($13.51)
Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($11.36)
SB ($4.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Button raises $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises $1.70, Button calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.15) 2
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, A
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, 2
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($8.35) 4
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($8.35) 10
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.26 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $8.35

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Call 3 bet isn't probably relevant as hand sample too small.

Check/fold flop. Hands that call 4 bets are all A/X and JJ. JJ likely checks back. Fold river.

Also he's on the nitty side.
 
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Make it larger pre. 2-2.20 here is good. As for the rest, just look to Yoshi's post above.
 
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yeah as was already stated, the calling range for a 4bet leaves very few hands you beat (JJ, maybe TT for some opponents). And the entirety of his range has you beat. Check/fold.
 
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I raised to $2 preflop, yeah I think you're right about his range. I should've c/folded on flop, thanks
 
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villain: 15/10/ 3bet 9.8/ 107hands / call 3bet 100%
on the river we have $5.90 behind
I decided to c/c on flop because I thought he would take a stab with hands that missed / check back with Ax.

IPoker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (6 handed) - IPoker Converter Tool from http://www.flopturnriver.com

BB ($22.41)
UTG ($10)
MP ($13.51)
Hero (CO) ($10)
Button ($11.36)
SB ($4.40)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q
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, Q
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2 folds, Hero bets $0.30, Button raises $0.90, 2 folds, Hero raises $1.70, Button calls $1.10

Flop: ($4.15) 2
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, A
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, 2
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $2.10, Hero calls $2.10

Turn: ($8.35) 4
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button checks

River: ($8.35) 10
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(2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets $7.26 (All-In), Hero folds

Total pot: $8.35

Results below:
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4bet pre then check flop????
i dont like your check here. VERY WEAK PLAY. esp for someone who 4bet pre. i like raise/folding here.

As far as turn check? huh? you gotta bet to know where you are on the flop and then let go if you see him calling ,esp if you see him raise.

Im not really a fan of how this was played. You have to fire something good on the flop (above 50%) to see where you are. IMO.

On the river, you decide to check again? Not even a blockbet ? your in the mercy of his betting by pplaying it so passively.
 
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why bet flop? all worse hands will probably fold and he's only gonna call with better
 
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why bet flop? all worse hands will probably fold and he's only gonna call with better

So you dont allow him to set the price and to get info as to if your good or not?
 
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Bet 90c and shut down to further action probably the latter as you sized so small pre.
Worse could call and worse value never bets the turn and a nit floating king high in a 4bet pot seem's unlikely.
 
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If you plan on calling a bet on the flop, you might as well bet into him. being OOP is better in a spot like this.
 
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So you dont allow him to set the price and to get info as to if your good or not?

Getting info in a 4bet pot usually isn't a good idea. Especially since villain would likely call a flop bet with whatever hand he called the 4bet with. So betting flop with intention of folding to a raise or giving up on turn makes no sense. An alternative to what I suggested of check/folding would be to turn your hand into a bluff. The problem with turning it into a bluff in this spot is that you basically will only fold out QQ and KK. Hero has blockers to villain's QQ, so the more likely hands that villain has are KK or Ax hands. In a 4bet pot I doubt villain would fold any Ax hand, so the bluff would just be spewy.
 
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Getting info in a 4bet pot usually isn't a good idea. Especially since villain would likely call a flop bet with whatever hand he called the 4bet with. So betting flop with intention of folding to a raise or giving up on turn makes no sense. An alternative to what I suggested of check/folding would be to turn your hand into a bluff. The problem with turning it into a bluff in this spot is that you basically will only fold out QQ and KK. Hero has blockers to villain's QQ, so the more likely hands that villain has are KK or Ax hands. In a 4bet pot I doubt villain would fold any Ax hand, so the bluff would just be spewy.

Dont foget we are the ones who 4 bet and he flat called and didnt shove.

Secondly its so RIDICULOUS to 4 bet and then check flop. No matter what we are holding. We have to bet the flop to see how he will react. We are the ones who 4 bet and, remember ,he flat our 4 bet..... we have initiative in the hand.His flatting showed weakness. If we check the flop,we are just giving up on the hand and allowing him to pick it up right there. Betting this flop is 10 times better than check folding or check calling?????? never check calling here. Bet folding is best scenario IMO.
 
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Getting info in a 4bet pot usually isn't a good idea. Especially since villain would likely call a flop bet with whatever hand he called the 4bet with. So betting flop with intention of folding to a raise or giving up on turn makes no sense. An alternative to what I suggested of check/folding would be to turn your hand into a bluff. The problem with turning it into a bluff in this spot is that you basically will only fold out QQ and KK. Hero has blockers to villain's QQ, so the more likely hands that villain has are KK or Ax hands. In a 4bet pot I doubt villain would fold any Ax hand, so the bluff would just be spewy.

You can't turn your hand into a bluff at these stakes here. Just play ABC. I think that HERO should have raised bigger pre-flop for being OOP (2.5x) and then just check/fold the flop once he's called.

Edit: Put more thought into this and I actually think bet/fold is probably better tbh now, bet on the smaller side though and fold if raised, you don't want to be pot committed or fold out worse PP's.

AK likely shoves pre-flop, AQ is unlikely.
JJ, 10,10 is the most likely holding due to HERO's sizing PF.

River is though, probably fold though even though he checked back on turn as 10/10 just got there (that's what I think he has) and JJ has no reason to shove river.
 
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Secondly its so RIDICULOUS to 4 bet and then check flop. No matter what we are holding.

I think you're correct in this case about betting the flop, but not all scenario's are ridiculous to check..
 
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90c is too cheap imo, given that JJ and 10/10 are likely holdings we should be able to extract a half pot bet from villain on flop or maybe a little less.
 
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