$10 NLHE 6-max: 10nl bluff bluff catch

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$10 NL HE 6-max: 10nl bluff bluff catch

Merge - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 5 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

BTN: $48.44
Hero (INVALID POS): $9.65
SB: $9.97
UTG: $10.19
CO: $15.48

Hero posts SB $0.05, SB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 7:club: K:club:

UTG calls $0.10, fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero raises to $0.50, SB calls $0.40, fold, fold

Flop: ($1.20, 2 players) 8:diamond: A:heart: 5:club:
Hero bets $0.80, SB calls $0.80

Turn: ($2.80, 2 players) 2:club:
Hero bets $1.87, SB calls $1.87

River: ($6.54, 2 players) J:club:






I sucked out twice tonite in about 400 hands. I think its a good idea to go over my suckouts to see if who made the mistake.

Villain was 8/0 over only 12 hands.
I just moved to this table after a previous table dried up. I raised pre expecting to pick up the pot. On the flop I figured a cbet was appropriate given the board. But I think the bet may be a bit large. The flat call made me think either a weak A or a possible draw. I didnt think he would fold any A but I wanted to pressure any draw. So the when the second barrel was flatted I thought I either had to pot the river or surrender.
Sucking out sucks. Was it my mistake to lead into him on the turn? Or should he have taken control?
 
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The hh conversion is messed up - you're SB and villain's BB, right?

I'm not thrilled w the pf 3bet oop, this hand plays in position a whole lot better than oop, and if we're new to the table I'd rather have better reads that UTG and MP fold well to 3bets.

flop cbet is fine imo, though half pot prob accomplishes what 2/3pot does.

In position, I'd definitely bet the turn if checked to, but not keen oop.

It's a 3bet pot - if Villain flopped TP or better, he ought to jam the flop or fold pf 100bb's deep.
 
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Yes, Im SB and villain is BB.
I agree that this hand is way better in position. With a limp line like that when do we warrant 3betting light? Im trying to figure my range for 3bets oop.
I think 1/2 pot would do the same as well.

With no raise from the villain on the flop my habitual play is to fire again on the turn when I'm oop. I have actually been making plays like this MORE because I don't think I go to showdown enough. Found a flaw it looks like.

If I check the turn Im folding to a raise unless Im priced for the draw right? Which would only be if he bet 45 cents or less correct?

Thanks for replying Sly, Im over at DTB as matsyendra as well.

Why jam the flop here? Assuming he hit an A, 80bb shove for 20bb pot? I'm glad you mentioned but I dont get it. If my 3bet was close to 30% of my stack I can see getting it all in on the flop but as it was only 5% there is still a lot of money left behind.
Can you explain a bit more?
 
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When I say "jam", I don't mean "shove", I mean raise and keep raising until all the money is in. So, Hero bets $0.80, Villain ought to raise to somewhere in the neighborhood of $2.25 - $3 depending, and if Hero re-raises, shove over that.

If we call a 3bet and flop TP 100bb's deep, we either ought to be willing to get the money in the middle or we should've folded preflop - we're not really expecting to be in a better position than that. This is even better if we didn't flop TP, but flopped 2 pair or a set. Since Hero repped a big hand by 3betting pf, an A is a big part of his range, so getting his money in the middle as a huge favorite would be great here and is not unlikely.

Yeah, virtually any bet Villain makes (if he has a brain) is going to price us out of calling a turn bet. Semi-bluffing oop is pretty tricky though imo, I'd rather c/f here and look for a better spot.

Oh, and I did see you at DTB :) .
 
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After looking at it again and questioning why I would 3bet here I saw that this wasn't 3bet preflop. Maybe that was confused due to the HH issue. I was SB and there were 2 limpers that I raised to try to take down the pot then and there.
 
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No, my bad, I misread it - it's a limped pot, how about that. Hm, ignore everything I said then. So we're raising this hand over limpers and hoping to take it down pf - that looks ok. 1/2psb cbet looks good, 2/3psb isn't terrible. I'm not sure I hate the second barrel now, we picked up equity and Villain hasn't shown any strength (I thought he was calling a 3bet pf, so thought he was strong).

If Villain called a river shove, shame on him, but just for being a calling station. :)
 
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Ok, its funny how validation effects my feeling on the play. I felt good about the second barrel but this is new territory for my so I am a bit wary still.
And yes, he called a river shove.
 
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...Sucking out sucks....

Sucking out RULES!! It is payback for all of the suckouts you suffer when you get it in ahead and lose! I wish I could suck out every hand!:D
 
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