$10 NLHE 6-max: $10 NLHE 6-max: River shove - Call or Fold

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HH20151001 Klinkenberg - $0.05-$0.10 - USD No Limit Hold'em.txt

pokerstars Zoom Hand #141598871172: Hold'em No Limit ($0.05/$0.10) - 2015/10/01 21:07:29 WET [2015/10/01 16:07:29 ET]

Table 'Klinkenberg' 6-max Seat #1 is the button

Seat 1: Sebasje1986 ($36.90 in chips)
Seat 2: ConDeck ($48.53 in chips)
Seat 3: MaiDireGoal ($14.23 in chips)
Seat 4: kiito99 ($17.66 in chips)
Seat 5: Prigaty ($23.40 in chips)
Seat 6: Jatzek3 ($52.92 in chips)

ConDeck: posts small blind $0.05

MaiDireGoal: posts big blind $0.10

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ConDeck [Jh Tc]

kiito99: raises $0.10 to $0.20
Prigaty: folds
Jatzek3: folds
Sebasje1986: calls $0.20
ConDeck: calls $0.15
MaiDireGoal: calls $0.10

*** FLOP *** [Ts Js 4h]

ConDeck: bets $0.54

MaiDireGoal: calls $0.54

kiito99: folds

Sebasje1986: calls $0.54

*** TURN *** [Ts Js 4h] [4c]

ConDeck: bets $1.43

MaiDireGoal: calls $1.43

Sebasje1986: folds

*** RIVER *** [Ts Js 4h 4c] [3s]

ConDeck: checks

MaiDireGoal: bets $12.06 and is all-in

ConDeck: ??

No stats on villain...
 
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The board pairs crippling ur hand.. ur only beating a bluff... if it didnt pair u could extract value from high pp... but this is ez fold
 
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Villain has a flush 90% of the time. The other 10% he has a full house. Easy fold.
 
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Fold, as said before, only beating a bluff.

The massive overbet is frustrating because only two hands do this and thats the nuts or complete air, which i assume is really the only reason you feel so compelled with this hand.

all i can say is that 5 years ago, you snap since it was an inexperienced players version of a river bluff, but today... not so much, i'd personally say it's more weighted to thinking players now who only do this with the nuts.
 
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Fold, as said before, only beating a bluff.

The massive overbet is frustrating because only two hands do this and thats the nuts or complete air, which i assume is really the only reason you feel so compelled with this hand.

all i can say is that 5 years ago, you snap since it was an inexperienced players version of a river bluff, but today... not so much, i'd personally say it's more weighted to thinking players now who only do this with the nuts.

See this was my dilema... I actually don't see him doing this with his nutted/monster hands that often.

My thinking in the end was as follows:

Villain just completes from the big blind.. given the squeeze spot I can remove AA, KK and probably QQ from his range.

I block JJ and TT.

He has some 4 x hands in his range however BUT as I donked the flop multiway, does he really call with a 4 that often here with 2 players left to act behind him inc. the pre flop raiser?

Once I went through this his boats, trips and better two pairs are all pretty much removed from his range.

This leaves the flush being the only value hand left in his range for shoving like this, but does villain shove a flush here given the paired board and the fact it is a pretty scary river card for my range he beats here, this seems more like a standard value bet spot for a thinking player.

This left inexperienced or poor recreational players, who could pull the trigger here as a river bluff to represent spades or to take advantage of the weakness shown by my check on the river often enough.

After some consideration and most of my time bank I made the call for villain to show QJo taking down a nice sized pot.

Even winning the hand however I try not to be results orientated, hence the review. I agree with what you guys are saying above in hindsight but in the moment my thinking was as above. If possible can you point out any major flaws in my thinking here?
 
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See this was my dilema... I actually don't see him doing this with his nutted/monster hands that often.

My thinking in the end was as follows:

Villain just completes from the big blind.. given the squeeze spot I can remove AA, KK and probably QQ from his range.

I block JJ and TT.

He has some 4 x hands in his range however BUT as I donked the flop multiway, does he really call with a 4 that often here with 2 players left to act behind him inc. the pre flop raiser?

Once I went through this his boats, trips and better two pairs are all pretty much removed from his range.

This leaves the flush being the only value hand left in his range for shoving like this, but does villain shove a flush here given the paired board and the fact it is a pretty scary river card for my range he beats here, this seems more like a standard value bet spot for a thinking player.

This left inexperienced or poor recreational players, who could pull the trigger here as a river bluff to represent spades or to take advantage of the weakness shown by my check on the river often enough.

After some consideration and most of my time bank I made the call for villain to show QJo taking down a nice sized pot.

Even winning the hand however I try not to be results orientated, hence the review. I agree with what you guys are saying above in hindsight but in the moment my thinking was as above. If possible can you point out any major flaws in my thinking here?

All I can say then is great call. I would never have seen this coming... It doesn't really make sense that someone with top pair good kicker would shove the river there. He should have checked behind and hoped to win at showdown. Maybe he thought you had a flush and he was trying to represent a full house to get you to fold. Or maybe he was just tilted and being stupid. It was really good that you managed to pick this up. Well done.
 
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You checked to induce the bluff, and you got it, so snap it off.

Flushes aren't jamming here often enough on the paired board, and neither is 4x with that river. So you're really only worried about 43, and that doesn't make a ton of sense based on the flop and it being MW. So you're looking at a busted straight draw here a ton. Is it enough to justify the odds you're getting, it's close. Personally my first thought when I looked at the hand was he has a busted draw here almost always. But it's micro stakes and you have no stats, so a fold isn't horrible. But if you weren't looking to induce a bluff, you should have bet / folded the river.
 
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Nice call but I am folding this almost always.

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Hmmm perhaps it's a simple pattern to remember.

On a paired board... flush comes out on river = shove bluff lol. Could it be that simple?

I'm going to make some hero calls next session.
 
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