daxter70
Visionary
Silver Level
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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
post the whole HH please so that we can see all of the actions. Since all i can currently see is your hand and the board, i have no clue on what i would do since it all depends on the turn action, if villain is going crazy on turn i probably fold river, if villain is passive on turn and snap call river
daxter70
Visionary
Silver Level
yeah..that HH sux.
he bet out turn 2.75 and other guy called and i min raised, he flat called and other guy folded. on river i cked and he pushed 16.50, pot, and i had 22 something left.
i did fold and showed the table. 2 hands later one of the guys that wasnt in the hand said he had folded the 9 preflop
... oh well. i left the table with $50.
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switch0723
Cardschat Elite
Silver Level
fwiw, firstly we should be betting more on the flop while we have the nuts since there are like 20 cards that can come on the turn that complete straights. Also raise more than the minimum on the turn and bet/fold river. Since we will get called by a ton of pp's and generally only raised by the 9. On the river i probably fold against someone who knows what they are doing, against someone who is awful at omaha i call, so it's down to your judgement on the player
daxter70
Visionary
Silver Level
switch~~yeah..turned out he was awful player..
BBB~~yes, as previously stated, a player told me later he folded the 9, so it was a bad laydown. but i broke him in a better position later
pantin007
member
Silver Level
call preflop is standard form the small blind
1.25 in the pot and u only bet 50, ur giving ppl enuff odds for them to draw to the staight, with 5 ppl in the pot i would tend to bet closer to pot here to try and fold out some str8 draws
on the turn, u check which is a nice play if u want to come over the top of someone but u only c-r min which is quite aweful, he bet 2.75 so a better raise would be to something like 6.50 to 7$
on the river, i would tend to bet this for value but seeing as u checked, i would call the river raise from villain as there is only 1 card that beats u and im sure a lot of players at 25 plo bet AA or KK here
bad fold imo
1.25 in the pot and u only bet 50, ur giving ppl enuff odds for them to draw to the staight, with 5 ppl in the pot i would tend to bet closer to pot here to try and fold out some str8 draws
on the turn, u check which is a nice play if u want to come over the top of someone but u only c-r min which is quite aweful, he bet 2.75 so a better raise would be to something like 6.50 to 7$
on the river, i would tend to bet this for value but seeing as u checked, i would call the river raise from villain as there is only 1 card that beats u and im sure a lot of players at 25 plo bet AA or KK here
bad fold imo
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young hova
Rock Star
Silver Level
First and foremost, I'm not really a fan of letting people know what im laying down. I guess thats something up for debate, but I don't think you want to be showing laying down hands like that in situations like that. If your opponent has any sense he'll try to expose you for laying down good hands to pot max bluffs on the river. I think its better you have him thinking you layed down a pair of queens rather than that, but maybe I'm overthinking that particular omaha level. Just my take.
As far as the hand, i'm kinda of confused how you laid it out, but I think I got it. oop your bet was kind of weak, and the middle player couldve took that as a sign to make a move. I can't really fault you for laying down on the river because you've got a middle position player betting pot max on a paired board with no regard to the person on the button turn and river 2 straight bets. Plus on top of that he's playing like he doesn't even care what you have. So I'm not saying I would've folded there myself I dont know what I wouldve did if I put my self in that particular situation, thing is you make sure u don't put yourself in those positions next time.
Its hard most of the time to control the pot OOP in omaha for numerous reasons, but this was a hand where you had a sweet chance to control the pot. I really don't have a problem with your flop bet I'm thinking you wanted to show weakness maybe, no problem with that. After the weak bet on the flop no problem with the check on the turn I was thinking you were looking for a bet for someone else to steal the pot, THATS WHAT YOU GOT, what you did wrong in this hand is you didn't check raise on the turn. You got a chance to possibly commit 2 Other players to the pot before they even get to see the river card with a pot max check raise right there and thats where I think you messed up.
It don't matter whether the 3rd 9 comes on the river or not, I think at those stakes, playing OOP you wanna get your money in on that turn, because you don't know what the other players are gonna do YOUR OOP. The villain may be calling regardless of your raise, and the button player is probably gonna be more inclined to call a raise on the turn than to call a bet on the river when he misses, plus it seems like they've already written you off in this hand, you gotta check raise that turn man with that hand. To maximize profits because you got the chance of potentially committing 2 people to that pot and there gonna probably call on that level
If you check the turn and say they didn't bet than the pot wouldve been more manageable for you to call the river regardless of what card comes if u dont wanna bet. Remember, you gotta protect your hand, I know that hand seems super nice and it is on the turn, but it aint only a 3rd 9 you got to worry about, if you got any of those players being on over pairs your letting them control how much they get to pay to check the river for their overcard full to pretty much obliterate your hand if they hit, cus you may have folded to that 3rd 9, but you aint folding to someone hitting a higher over set on the river.
Last note on the river, the river call basically is gonna be based on your reads on that player cus that oop aggression aint necessarily an easy call to make given how he's betting. If you aint got no reads thats a tough one if your bankroll is right and its a player your gonna be playing with thats a hand you could test him on to see. If he's generally someone who bets pot thats def more grounds to test him out, because alot of time people bet pot thinking Im only gonna get raised by the nuts damn near, and only marginal hands to what my hand will call me which if they call I could have beat. or it could just be an outright bluff. If you don't think you can call a bluff on the river, than you might want to bet yourself there to see if he'll respect your bet.
CHECK RAISE THE TURN IS WHAT YOU TAKE FROM THIS!
As far as the hand, i'm kinda of confused how you laid it out, but I think I got it. oop your bet was kind of weak, and the middle player couldve took that as a sign to make a move. I can't really fault you for laying down on the river because you've got a middle position player betting pot max on a paired board with no regard to the person on the button turn and river 2 straight bets. Plus on top of that he's playing like he doesn't even care what you have. So I'm not saying I would've folded there myself I dont know what I wouldve did if I put my self in that particular situation, thing is you make sure u don't put yourself in those positions next time.
Its hard most of the time to control the pot OOP in omaha for numerous reasons, but this was a hand where you had a sweet chance to control the pot. I really don't have a problem with your flop bet I'm thinking you wanted to show weakness maybe, no problem with that. After the weak bet on the flop no problem with the check on the turn I was thinking you were looking for a bet for someone else to steal the pot, THATS WHAT YOU GOT, what you did wrong in this hand is you didn't check raise on the turn. You got a chance to possibly commit 2 Other players to the pot before they even get to see the river card with a pot max check raise right there and thats where I think you messed up.
It don't matter whether the 3rd 9 comes on the river or not, I think at those stakes, playing OOP you wanna get your money in on that turn, because you don't know what the other players are gonna do YOUR OOP. The villain may be calling regardless of your raise, and the button player is probably gonna be more inclined to call a raise on the turn than to call a bet on the river when he misses, plus it seems like they've already written you off in this hand, you gotta check raise that turn man with that hand. To maximize profits because you got the chance of potentially committing 2 people to that pot and there gonna probably call on that level
If you check the turn and say they didn't bet than the pot wouldve been more manageable for you to call the river regardless of what card comes if u dont wanna bet. Remember, you gotta protect your hand, I know that hand seems super nice and it is on the turn, but it aint only a 3rd 9 you got to worry about, if you got any of those players being on over pairs your letting them control how much they get to pay to check the river for their overcard full to pretty much obliterate your hand if they hit, cus you may have folded to that 3rd 9, but you aint folding to someone hitting a higher over set on the river.
Last note on the river, the river call basically is gonna be based on your reads on that player cus that oop aggression aint necessarily an easy call to make given how he's betting. If you aint got no reads thats a tough one if your bankroll is right and its a player your gonna be playing with thats a hand you could test him on to see. If he's generally someone who bets pot thats def more grounds to test him out, because alot of time people bet pot thinking Im only gonna get raised by the nuts damn near, and only marginal hands to what my hand will call me which if they call I could have beat. or it could just be an outright bluff. If you don't think you can call a bluff on the river, than you might want to bet yourself there to see if he'll respect your bet.
CHECK RAISE THE TURN IS WHAT YOU TAKE FROM THIS!
