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guy was like VPIP24/PF3/3B0 over 24 hands so no reads really


Stacks:

* Austus with $2.55
* BTN with $5.90
* SB with $8.95
* BB with $11.25
* UTG with $21.55
* UTG+1 with $10.05
* MP1 with $9.75
* MP2 with $5.20

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* * Dealt to BB:T♠ T♥
* * Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP1 raises $0.30 to $0.40
* * 4 players fold.
Hero raises $0.60 to $1
* * MP1 calls [$0.60]
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $2.05
Flop: 7♥ J♠ 5♥ Hero bets [$0.90]
* * MP1 calls [$0.90]
* * Potsize: $3.85
Turn: 5♠ Hero bets [$1.80]
* * MP1 calls [$1.80]
* * Potsize: $7.45
River: A♣ Hero ?????

what do I do on the river or should I have done the whole hand differently?

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I HATE!!! being out of position. ;)

I don't play 10nl I play 5nl, I don't think you are ahead hear like ever, not with the Ace on the river, I check fold.
 
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guy was like VPIP24/PF3/3B0 over 24 hands so no reads really


Stacks:

* Austus with $2.55
* BTN with $5.90
* SB with $8.95
* BB with $11.25
* UTG with $21.55
* UTG+1 with $10.05
* MP1 with $9.75
* MP2 with $5.20

hand.pl


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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
* * Dealt to BB:T♠ T♥
* * Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP1 raises $0.30 to $0.40
* * 4 players fold.
Hero raises $0.60 to $1
* * MP1 calls [$0.60]
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $2.05
Flop: 7♥ J♠ 5♥ Hero bets [$0.90]
* * MP1 calls [$0.90]
* * Potsize: $3.85
Turn: 5♠ Hero bets [$1.80]
* * MP1 calls [$1.80]
* * Potsize: $7.45
River: A♣ Hero ?????

what do I do on the river or should I have done the whole hand differently?

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Seems to me like he might be one of those passive players that just calls and calls and calls even with AA here or KK... Ive played a guy like that yesterday so passive he was just calling with his top pair on a flush and straight draw board!! a bit insane.. his PF3 is what tells me he could be one of those passive players.. You might be beat here with an overpair or he just connected with his A which is less likely.. a bit of a hard case here.. I hate playing such passive players when i`m not sure if im ahead and out of position...
 
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Remember you lead out with a re-raise which indicated you were holding something in the BB postion. Maybe he hit jacks on the flop and had you down for a higher unpaired hand. A big raise on the river could infact scare him off the hand and or loose you alot of money.

With no real read on the player you'd probabaly have to check and see what happens, but get ready to fold if he gives you bad odds.

If you did anything wrong it would have been your bet after the flop. It came across maybe as a probe bet and he wasn't going to throw his hand away just yet. You have middle pair for sure, a bigger raise might have scared him off. Say a pot sized bet. If it didn't then a check after the turn would give you more information about his hand.

Him calling your bets i might have him on a flush draw. Make him pay to see the flop. Tell him your not giving this up without a fight unless he gives you reason to think he has a J.
 
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Almost have to put him on AQ+ here. So I'm definitely checking this and folding to any big raises.

He could have a small/mid pp so calling any small raises (I'd say up to 1/2 pot) wouldn't be a bad idea.
 
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and the turn wasnt much help either as if he did have JJ(2nd nuts) he probably wouldnt raise and show the strength in his hand.

Ill say what I did after some more comments
 
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Your 3bet pf is far too low. It's almost a min r/r. Your oop so make it like 3-4 x the 2bet so at least $1.2 to go possibly $1.4.

Flop cb if fine, but I'm slowing down on the turn and looking to get to sd as cheaply as possible.
 
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Your 3bet pf is far too low. It's almost a min r/r. Your oop so make it like 3-4 x the 2bet so at least $1.2 to go possibly $1.4.

Flop cb if fine, but I'm slowing down on the turn and looking to get to sd as cheaply as possible.

that. Repop more pf or just flat, and slow down on the turn as played. Not a big enough hand to be bet/bet/betting on that board.
 
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mkay well I think i totaly played this wrong, and in the future will, in this situation, play it like Chuck and Jagsti explain, i think i knew thats the way to play it but just havent adjusted to dicipline myself yet....hopefully things like this will help...

on the river i ended up tripple barelling and took it down with like a 4$ river bet...lucky i think to have taken it down with no reads..thanks guys!
 
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guy was like VPIP24/PF3/3B0 over 24 hands so no reads really


Stacks:
* Austus with $2.55
* BTN with $5.90
* SB with $8.95
* BB with $11.25
* UTG with $21.55
* UTG+1 with $10.05
* MP1 with $9.75
* MP2 with $5.20

hand.pl


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Blinds: $0.00/$0.00
Site: Pokerstars
* * Dealt to BB:T♠ T♥
* * Sklansky group 2
Preflop:
* * 2 players fold.
* * MP1 raises $0.30 to $0.40
* * 4 players fold.
Hero raises $0.60 to $1 I make it 1,40$ here
* * MP1 calls [$0.60]
* * Total folds this street: 6
* * Potsize: $2.05
Flop: 7♥ J♠ 5♥ Hero bets [$0.90] Not sure if c-bet here,but there are plenty of draws on the board so he is calling with a lot more then just J so i dont really mind betting here,but i probably check instead. If i were to C-bet i bet a litle more prolly something like 1,50$
* * MP1 calls [$0.90]
* * Potsize: $3.85
Turn: 5♠ Hero bets [$1.80] I dont bet here. The 5 is unlikely to help him but he is aggresive so he might bet here with a lot worse. But were folding out almost all the hands we beat by betting imo.
* * MP1 calls [$1.80]
* * Potsize: $7.45
River: A♣ Hero ????? I check/call,check/fold depending on how much villain bets.

what do I do on the river or should I have done the whole hand differently?

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above.
 
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Your 3bet pf is far too low. It's almost a min r/r. Your oop so make it like 3-4 x the 2bet so at least $1.2 to go possibly $1.4.

Flop cb if fine, but I'm slowing down on the turn and looking to get to sd as cheaply as possible.


If you raise more preflop then you'd need a bigger bet than what you did after the flop to prove the hand you have is stronger than the jack. what you did bet with would give him great odds to call for a draw and show you down to have real weakness like low pair. 10 10 is a tuff hand to play with so you need to protect it. Take the pot down early before scare cards appear. If it fails get out before you loose to much money.


With the way you played the hand, a check raise on the river wouldn't have fooled a good player into thinking you hit the AA.
 
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that. Repop more pf or just flat, and slow down on the turn as played. Not a big enough hand to be bet/bet/betting on that board.
Out of curiousity, do you ever 3bet tens 100BB+ deep in the BB versus a reg? I don't think I do. Like, ever. I don't think a 3-bet is bad, necessarily, just not something I ever do. I flat 77-TT virtually always.

If you're going to 3-bet pre, you have to make it bigger, though. You want him to fold, because you've mostly turned your hand into a bluff. Bloating preflop with no fold equity will just make you play a big pot with a hand that doesn't want to play a big pot unless you flop a set. On the river you have, for all intents and purposes, a bluff catcher. I probably check/call for that precise reason.
 
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No, not really. Depends on the player obviously (vs some of those lag/tags I'm perfectly willing to stack TT or even 99 pf), but usually I think flatting is best.

IP, yes. Though with those specific hands I'll often flat still.
 
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In addition to raising more PF, I'd donk bet/lead more than 1/2 pot on that flop (like $1.60).
 
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No, not really. Depends on the player obviously (vs some of those lag/tags I'm perfectly willing to stack TT or even 99 pf), but usually I think flatting is best.

IP, yes. Though with those specific hands I'll often flat still.
Yup. I'll look you up later to compare some other stats, I have a feeling we're very close in most cases now and perhaps looking for leaks by looking for deviations is a good idea?
 
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